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To: af_vet_1981; Resettozero; RnMomof7; Burkianfrombrklyn

Then what would you call the likes of this;

Is it "anti-semiticism"? I know it to be false presentation of the more basic and fundamental facts.

Do you understand the accusation there? It conveys the notion that the Jews stripped out books of scripture (ha! as if they would do that!) from what would equate to idea or concept of 'canon' ---because of Christians, and no other reason.

Of course the real truth is that the religious authorities of Jerusalem did not and had never presented books of Apocrypha as being accepted as Holy Writ.

The written testimony of Josephus establishes that the Jews did not have a loose, undefined collection of writings which they considered as their canon, but rather they had a certain and firm number of writings. Josephus directly addresses that point.

As far as anti-Jewish sentiment ---- that began long ago within Catholicism.

Steps are being taken now to combat that. It is true that it could be said that anti-antisemitism was not always universal within the Christian Church, although I've come across expressions which could be seen as 'anti-Jewish' beginning right about the time those of the Church began to speak ill of Jews somewhat indiscriminately for reason that the seeming mainstream of Jewish religious teaching and subsequent mindset continued to outwardly express rejection of the one known of as "Jesus" was the promised Messiah, and as begotten Son of God was thus God himself also, come to the world in the flesh ---- Immanuel, God with us.

As for the Church of Rome in particular, it most certainly cannot be said that there has never been anti-Jewish sentiment. The first Jewish ghetto was in Rome, created (and later enforced) under guidance & orders of the Church of Rome.

That one individual here spoke briefly of Jews lacking a saving God (that was much how that was phrased, correct?) does not equate with being anti-semiticism, but rather was speaking towards theological understandings and the very basis of faith itself.

As it is written;

Acts 4

11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’[a] 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were uneducated and untrained men, they marveled. And they realized that they had been with Jesus.

My own view tends towards some amount of generosity (as much as possible whenever possible) to be extended to those of Jewish faith today ---- most particularly and first for those of them who grasp the spirit of the Law and thus recognize (if but through a glass darkly, as Paul wrote of Christians themselves, 1 Corithinians 13) just who the heavenly Creator is.

There could as well be (something of a minority?) among Muslims, who despite the wholesale distortions which Mohammed foisted upon what he had hi-jacked from Judaism & Christianity and re-worded, claiming it to be his own revelation -- some still seem to understand such basics as what Christ spoke towards as being that upon which hangs all the law and all the prophets.

Some get it (at times and places) despite the clouds of oratory and *extra* law gone on about in many, many words by their Immans. Even so --- by philosophy and understanding of principles alone none can be saved. It is simply not enough -- to better than the worst one can be.

But now evangelical types are being categorized by yourself as anti-semitic?

I saw the whole thing. It's awfully thin gruel to now be used as a slathering put-down which could be also characterized as "oh, at least I'm not anti-semitic (like you guys)".

That sort of posturing is as 'helpful' to discussion as the charge of racism hurled at those who dare criticism Obama is.

845 posted on 04/22/2015 5:51:46 PM PDT by BlueDragon (...slicing through the bologna like Belushi at a Samurai Delicatessen...)
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To: BlueDragon
Acts 4:
11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”


Peter here was preaching about the Lord Jesus Christ, the Author and Finisher of our Christian faith. Peter said the that Lord Jesus Christ had become the chief cornerstone for a building the Jewish builders had rejected to continue constructing.

Cornerstone of what building?

Jesus' Church on Planet Earth.

Not Peter's own local Jerusalem congregation.

Not Peter's Roman Catholic church.

Selah.

Thanks for the Scripture that reminds me to avoid spiritual pride in anything I might do or say regarding Christ's own Church which is built on Jesus Christ and Him alone, not the wrongly-constructed Jewish (or Roman Catholic) added religious rules and traditions.
847 posted on 04/22/2015 6:24:07 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: BlueDragon
But now evangelical types are being categorized by yourself as anti-semitic?

Some are; some aren't. It's what they believe; it is part of their religious DNA. I expect the here are many here who agree with Bailey Smith and some who do not.

"It's interesting to me at great political battles how you have a Protestant to pray and a Catholic to pray and then you have a Jew to pray," Smith stated. "With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. For how in the world can God hear the prayer of a man who says that Jesus Christ is not the true Messiah? It is blasphemy. It may be politically expedient, but no one can pray unless he prays through the name of Jesus Christ."

Although the remark went little noticed at the time, a few weeks later controversy erupted after it received public attention. Ronald Reagan, then the Republican presidential candidate, who had spoken at the same rally the day before Smith, faced questions about if he agreed with the statement.

"No," Reagan stated. "Since both the Christian and Judaic religions are based on the same God, the God of Moses, I'm quite sure those prayers are heard. But I guess everyone can make his own interpretation of the Bible, and many individuals have been making differing interpretations for a long time." - See more at: http://www.ethicsdaily.com/anniversary-of-bailey-smiths-harmful-moment-in-baptist-jewish-relations-cms-16564#.dpuf
You wrote that you believe Jews do have a God, so you need not worry.

851 posted on 04/22/2015 7:06:03 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: BlueDragon

The Council of Jamnia was in a way similar to the Council of Trent. Both were set up by an organized religion in a time of intense crisis to deal with the situation at hand. It is Biblical Studies 101 to understand that the Council of J was in fact designed to understandably re-set the state of Judaism after tremendous upheaval - not just the destruction of the Temple, but of the large numbers of Christian conversations. Indeed, the Council specifically rejected Christian writings as Biblical, as of course at the time many Jews were also believers of Our Lord - seems such a thing today would be absurd, but not so in 90 A.D. Finally, all evidence points to the Septuagint being the largest translation effort in Biblical history (and I’d say even to this day). I doubt they messed up and included Macabees. The Council rejected it, which is their business, but the idea that they were simply “codifying what was in existence” is not true and if it were the council wouldn’t merit a footnote in history.

Back to Trent - of course many of the doctrines in Trent were in direct response to the Protestant growth - for example, not be understated, the inclusion of the “Confiteor” and the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar - all emphasized to counter the idea of Faith alone etc.

God bless,


940 posted on 04/24/2015 4:25:37 PM PDT by Burkianfrombrklyn
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