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To: af_vet_1981
Well, see, there's a problem already. God was not the God of Ishmael.

Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

It would be through Isaac that Abraham's seed would be named.

Genesis 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Ishmael is called the seed of Hagar but never called the seed of Abraham. It was 13 years after the birth of Ishmael that God changed Abram to Abraham and promised:

Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your seed after you. 8 And I will give to you and to your seed after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.

Notice that God never said He would be the God of the seed of Hagar. When Abraham said he wanted Ishmael to live before God he was told no that it was going to Isaac.

Genesis 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

God never said He would be a God to Ishmael. He said He would be a God to Isaac. Ishmael didn't preach the God of His fathers so already there they are injecting a different god.

771 posted on 04/22/2015 2:01:25 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear

BINGO!!!


773 posted on 04/22/2015 2:04:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear
Notice that God never said He would be the God of the seed of Hagar.

Not directly.

He did say that He was the GOD of the Gentiles; too.

IF they chose Him to be.

Romans 3:29

800 posted on 04/22/2015 2:45:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
Well, see, there's a problem already. God was not the God of Ishmael.

False; both the Hebrew and Genesis indicate otherwise.

Both Hebrew and Arabic combine their language's respective word, not name, for God to form names. In the case of a Hebrew, El means God and in Arabic, alLa means "The God." Ishmael's name means "God will hear." The angel of the LORD chose his name.

And the angel of the Lord found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. And she called the name of the Lord that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? Wherefore the well was called Beerlahairoi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered. And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael. And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
Genesis, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses seven to sixteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

836 posted on 04/22/2015 4:32:36 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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