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1 posted on 04/06/2015 6:20:25 AM PDT by Gamecock
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a. It is not the place of the Feds to ask the church to return these funds.

b. Now that the church knows this is dirty money I think it is right and good to return it, if the money is returned to those bilked out of their savings in the first place.


2 posted on 04/06/2015 6:21:46 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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To: Gamecock

..don’t press Kerry for the 7 million he stole from the DNC after his campaign fizzled


3 posted on 04/06/2015 6:22:06 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Gamecock

...let’s see if Hilda returns all the money she scrapes from “donors” in this attempt at a miserable presidential run. It’s about it’s ever been about with Hilda..$$$$$$$$


5 posted on 04/06/2015 6:24:22 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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6 posted on 04/06/2015 6:24:57 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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To: Gamecock

did he pay any taxes? Maybe IRS should return the taxes to the victims as well


7 posted on 04/06/2015 6:25:59 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Gamecock

But King David replied to Araunah, “No, I insist on paying the full price. I will not take for the LORD what is yours, or sacrifice a burnt offering that costs me nothing.”
1 Chronicles 21:24


9 posted on 04/06/2015 6:27:15 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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To: Gamecock
Since most megachurches are Ponzi schemes...
10 posted on 04/06/2015 6:27:36 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Gamecock
Michigan's largest Ponzi schemer

Wouldn't that be Amway?
11 posted on 04/06/2015 6:31:05 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Gamecock
"our Church's mission to help spread the gospel of Jesus Christ locally, nationally and around the world,"

Which is probably a big part of why they were targeted for shaming.

12 posted on 04/06/2015 6:32:16 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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"We have prayerfully considered your request that the Church return all or part of this donor's gifts and tithe monies, and must respectfully decline to do so."

I just love this. The Christian way to say "stick it up your keester."

"....we have prayerfully considered....and must respectively decline....." I just love it!

Feds are gonna have to conclusively PROVE the money was stolen and not just some cash they can confiscate because of 'suspicion'....

24 posted on 04/06/2015 6:54:13 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gamecock

I found a blog post about the “church” in question. It’s a snarky and cynical assessment of Resurrection Life Church written by an unbeliever who visited one Sunday. He has some insight those attempting to attract “unchurched seekers” might do well to remember.

Resurrection Life Church
http://blog.freakingawesome.net/2008/01/06/resurrection-life-church/


26 posted on 04/06/2015 6:56:50 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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I don't know about this. Did the feds go around looking for those who took money from Bernie Madoff?

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29 posted on 04/06/2015 7:05:28 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Gamecock

How much money do you suppose the Catholic Church, among others, accepted in donations from various mafioso the last 100 years or so? Do you think the Catholic Church would ever give any of that money back?

That church probably doesn’t have that kind of money available and as they said ti has been spent on construction projects, among other things. Should we balance out the practical good they may have done with it? Just a thought.


50 posted on 04/06/2015 8:05:12 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Gamecock
Maybe the church should offer a partial reimbursement after:

1. The IRS returns taxes associated with the fraud;
2. The insurance agents are forced to return all of their commissions;
3. Errors and omissions insurance carriers pay out on their policies;
4. The companies that made deals with this guy return their gross profits;
5. Any political contributions made are returned; and,
6. Every other person/organization who benefited financially from the misappropriated funds.

59 posted on 04/06/2015 9:51:26 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Gamecock
30 years in federal prison. He is in a medium-security facility

I thought 30 years would usually buy you a ticket to something more than medium security.

The ABA seems to agree. "Sentence Length. Unless the PSF has been waived, a male offender with more than ten years remaining to serve will be housed in at least a low security facility; a male offender with more than eighteen years remaining to serve will be housed in at least a medium security facility; a male offender with more than twenty-five years remaining to serve (including nonparolable life sentences) will be housed in a high security facility."

http://www.americanbar.org/newsletter/publications/gp_solo_magazine_home/gp_solo_magazine_index/1997_spring_bos_ellis.html

He must have spread his money wisely.

63 posted on 04/06/2015 4:57:43 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Gamecock

Although not directly applicable, I’d draw an analogy from the Bankruptcy Code:

Section 548(a)(2) of the Bankruptcy Code dealing with fraudulent transfers provides:

” (2) A transfer of a charitable contribution to a qualified religious or charitable entity or organization shall not be considered to be a transfer covered under paragraph (1)(B) in any case in which—

(A) the amount of that contribution does not exceed 15 percent of the gross annual income of the debtor for the year in which the transfer of the contribution is made; or

(B) the contribution made by a debtor exceeded the percentage amount of gross annual income specified in subparagraph (A), if the transfer was consistent with the practices of the debtor in making charitable contributions.”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11/548


64 posted on 04/06/2015 5:13:44 PM PDT by PAR35
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