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1 posted on 03/30/2015 7:11:21 PM PDT by grumpa
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Not a preterist. I certainly think the mark of the beast referred to in Revelation didn’t occur within 100 years of Christ’s crucifiction.


2 posted on 03/30/2015 7:18:28 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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So do you deny the miracles in the Bible now/yet? Those things like the flood, the virgin birth, the resurrection etc.?

Had a good friend in the ministry that fell head over heels for preterism. I had to cut off any communication with because he kept trying to “convert” me.


3 posted on 03/30/2015 7:32:39 PM PDT by Romans Nine
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I realized that I was ignorant about what happened in Jerusalem in AD 70
4 posted on 03/30/2015 7:34:09 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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Blasphemy.


5 posted on 03/30/2015 7:34:53 PM PDT by TheZMan (I am a secessionist.)
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13. The Historical View of Revelation(Preterism) was the dominant view for almost 400 years after AD 70.


6 posted on 03/30/2015 7:53:30 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


7 posted on 03/30/2015 7:59:44 PM PDT by amorphous
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The Preterist view of the end times is based on a symbolic view of the Book of Revelation that holds most of its prophecies have already been fulfilled. Preterism denies the future, literal fulfillment of most of its predictions, focusing instead on allegory and symbolism. Of particular importance is the argument that the end time prophecies of Revelation were fulfilled in AD 70 when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans.

A close look at the facts concerning the Book of Revelation, however, make Preterism a difficult view to hold. First, Revelation chapters 6—22 were most likely written about events that have yet to occur. If taken as written, these chapters speak of a future seven-year period during which there will be a world ruler, a new Jewish temple that will be built and then desecrated, a time of great tribulation, and a final battle at Armageddon between the people of God and His enemies at which Christ returns in victory. This will be followed by the Millennial Reign of Jesus and ultimately a new heavenly city, new heavens, and a new earth where God’s people will dwell with Him forever. Much must be changed in order to make these sweeping predictions fit events that took place by the fall of Jerusalem in 70.

Second, a more specific argument against the Preterist View is that the Book of Revelation was almost certainly written after the year 70. The external evidence supports the traditional date of approximately 95—96 at the end of the apostle John’s life. Mark Hitchcock’s “A Defense of the Domitianic Date of the Book of Revelation” offers a comprehensive look at the lines of evidence that support this date (Available at www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/hitchcock-dissertation.pdf). Those who hold to the Preterist view must be able to prove that the Book of Revelation was written prior to 70 to demonstrate that its view is even possible.

A third concern with the Preterist view is that there is a lack of consistency on how to interpret the symbolism of Revelation. If taken allegorically, then many aspects must relate to other events, yet interpreters do not appear to be able to agree on even the basic allegories that would be required to support the Preterist view.

The historical evidence to support the Preterist view of the Book of Revelation is inadequate, the allegorical interpretations are too inconsistent, and the changes in interpretation are too forced for the Preterist view to consistently fit the writings found in the Book of Revelation. While many Bible-believing Christians have held and still hold to this view, the evidence to support the view is much weaker than simply taking Revelation as written as a book concerning what will happen in the last days prior to Christ’s return to earth at the end of the Tribulation period.

http://www.compellingtruth.org/preterist.html


8 posted on 03/30/2015 8:03:39 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Nothing's so small it can't be blown out of proportion.)
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I am what you might call a "partial preterist." I believe everything in the Book of Revelation has been substantially fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish temple in AD 70 (except for the last two chapters of the book which describes the final judgment, and the new heavens and the new earth.).

If you can find a copy of "End Times Fiction" by Gary DeMar, do yourself a favor and read it. IMHO, partial preterism, along with amillenialism, is the only fully biblical, historical and rational position to hold.

9 posted on 03/30/2015 8:13:12 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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No one could open the sacred scroll - except Jesus - the Lamb of God. Only the one who had been Man - and defeated Death (Satan) was qualified. I believe that the scroll was the Final - and seventh - Covenant between God and Man, and only Jesus could break the seals. This Covenant restored Man to full communion with God. Before the fall of Adam (and Eve), man is depicted as walking in the garden with God at the end of the day. However, once Death (sin) entered the scene, man hid because he knew he was naked. Now, through the completed work of Jesus, he is clothed in Jesus, thus fully presentable to walk again with God in the cool of the evening. This is the miracle of Revelation, as reveled as Jesus opens the scroll.

Keep up the good work - accepting this has changed my relationship with God!!


11 posted on 03/30/2015 8:16:30 PM PDT by impactplayer
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And the two witnesses would have been .........?

Seen any angels preaching the gospel in the sky?

The great city that was destroyed in an hour, with ships at sea seeing it was......?

One third of the waters turning to blood happened when ......?

Everyone got the mark of the Beast at what time....?

The battle where the blood rose to the horse’s bridles took place.....?

The whole world saw Jesus coming back to finish off the Battle of Armageddon from the sky on which date....?

The new heaven and the new earth replace exactly what...?


13 posted on 03/30/2015 8:26:33 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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I have read dozens of books on theology and Biblical interpretation, and never once came across the term “preterest”. What the hell does it mean?


19 posted on 03/30/2015 9:24:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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When was the temple rebuilt?

When has the antichrist appeared?

When was the pace treaty signed?

When did the billions die as we are told in book of Revelation?

When did Jesus return and chain satan and demons a 1000 years?


25 posted on 03/30/2015 10:36:21 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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I learned that over 60 competent scholars have been identified as teaching that Revelation was written prior to AD 70.

Preterism is the only eschatological view that strictly depends on WHEN a book of the Bible was written. If John wrote Revelation in 95 AD (which the overwhelming majority of scholars down through history support) then preterism is vaporware.

29 posted on 03/31/2015 4:06:08 AM PDT by dartuser
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I am with you. I became a preterist before I knew it had a name.. I read the Bible a lot... It is written for us, not to us.. God opened my eyes a long time ago.. Thanks for your web site...


32 posted on 03/31/2015 4:26:08 AM PDT by just me (GOD BLESS AMERICA Amen)
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Either the Bible is completely true or it is completely false. I do not recall any historical mention of all eyes beholding Christ as He returned to Earth to defeat Evil and set things right....


33 posted on 03/31/2015 5:18:22 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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A DOZEN REASONS WHY I BECAME A PRETERIST

John 5, 28-29, past or future?

Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. (John 5:28-29 ESV)

John 6, 39-40, Past or future?

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:39-40 ESV)

35 posted on 03/31/2015 5:53:26 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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preterist. I don`t even know what that means for sure but I do believe the kingdom of god came at that time and believe much of revelation was fulfilled.

But I can see that we disagree on some things.

8. I realized that, in spite of what may appear obvious, the Bible never speaks about the end of the physical universe or planet earth. (Really, it doesn’t.) >>>>>>

2 Peter 3:10.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


38 posted on 03/31/2015 6:39:05 AM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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I would have to say I am a partial preterist.

Many of the prophecies were fulfilled. Some are still pending.


40 posted on 03/31/2015 7:28:53 AM PDT by Gamecock ("The Christian who has stopped repenting has stopped growing." A.W. Pink)
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BKMK


56 posted on 03/31/2015 2:11:37 PM PDT by Faith65 (Isaiah 40:31)
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