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Will you be celebrating Easter, as well as celebrating the Assumption of Mary into heaven bodily?
3/28/2015 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 03/28/2015 12:18:26 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

On Easter Day (April 5th, 2015), faithful Christians will celebrate the resurrection of Jesus bodily from death.

Later on this year, faithful Christians will also (on August 15th, 2015) celebrate the resurrection of Mary the mother of Jesus (before her body could see decay) and her Assumption into heaven.

With the shows on CNN (Finding Jesus: Faith, Fact and Forgery) and O'Reilly's book, "Killing Jesus" on television (both this Sunday), there seems to be an uptick in the interest on the life of Jesus, the Apostles and early followers of Jesus - as well as Mary's role, too.


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant; Orthodox Christian; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: assumptionofmary; catholic; catholics; easter; mary
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To: cotton

Your statement is true. He was also seen by more than 500. Witnesses.....take it to court and let us hear from the witnesses. He told Thomas, “Feel me , touch my side, handle me. I am not a spirit.” ‘You believe because you have seen. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have yet believed.” Withesses, first hand, reported what they saw. It was the same as what Jesus promised would happened. He is Risen.


101 posted on 03/28/2015 5:00:47 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: terycarl
read the Bible!!!

I do. Thank you very much. The point of my post was to show that Salvation is dependent on believing God's Word, because faith comes from hearing His Word, and revelation from hearing that same Word. That's how you know the Word is inspired, and not the creation of men. There is no such thing as "blind faith." Faith must be established on a sure foundation - God's Word. He is Truth, and cannot lie. There is no more secure foundation than God's Truth.

...brought to you courtesy of the Catholic Church!!!

All Scripture is inspired by God. It is not the invention of man. The Living Word is Eternal, it has always existed. Religion had nothing to do with the inspiration of God's Word. Its this type of natural reasoning that holds so many back in their spiritual growth. Its a shame religious leaders would diminish God's Word in this manner, and even worse, teach others to do the same.

102 posted on 03/28/2015 5:07:38 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

According to Cardinal Burke, a priest should withhold communion from a public figure, publically supporting abortion.

The following states his position as well as his formidable credentials.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Leo_Burke


103 posted on 03/28/2015 5:10:38 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

Good answer, thanks!

To your knowledge has she or any other Democratic Party politician been denied?


104 posted on 03/28/2015 5:17:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Mary was not resurrected, she was bodily assumed into Heaven. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that recorded in one of the Gospels or in an Epistle? m

whatever you shall bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven...

do you really suppose Christ would have said that and then allowed the Catholic church to speak in error on faith or morals?????

105 posted on 03/28/2015 5:22:52 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl; CynicalBear; Elsie; metmom; caww

do you really suppose Christ would have said that and then allowed the Catholic church to speak in error on faith or morals?????


How many times has the Catholic Church spoken in error on faith and/or morals?

Do you really want to open this can of worms terycarl? Consider this carefully. I’ll give you a chance to back away.


106 posted on 03/28/2015 5:26:09 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Kandy Atz
read the Bible!!! I do. Thank you very much

I was agreeing with you 100%....merely pointed out who brought us the Bible through 20 centuries....

107 posted on 03/28/2015 5:27:31 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

No.

And I will guess that she hasn’t presented herself for Communion in quite some time.

Only at state functions where the public eye is on her. she doesn’t do much in private that is meaningful, I imagine.


108 posted on 03/28/2015 5:30:03 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
If Pelosi shows up for Mass and attempts to participate in Communion how should the Priest respond?

By telling her that she cannot participate [and why] and turning her away, and not privately.

109 posted on 03/28/2015 6:05:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

> How are these verses from God’s Word “putting down the Mother of Jesus Christ?”

A good question; and one that I think that shows the accusation cannot be defended w/o displaying that the defender holds Mary above Jesus, and therefore is indulging in idolatry.


110 posted on 03/28/2015 6:10:06 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Later on this year, faithful Christians will also (on August 15th, 2015) celebrate the resurrection of Mary the mother of Jesus (before her body could see decay) and her Assumption into heaven.

She DIED???!!!???

111 posted on 03/28/2015 7:41:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Later on this year, faithful Christians will also (on August 15th, 2015) celebrate the resurrection of Mary the mother of Jesus (before her body could see decay) and her Assumption into heaven.

Is this anything like 'perfectly catechized Catholics'?

112 posted on 03/28/2015 7:42:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
merely pointed out who brought us the Bible through 20 centuries....

And managed to leave out really important stuff...

113 posted on 03/28/2015 7:43:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; terycarl

And managed to leave out really important stuff...


To be fair they added a lot of ungodly practices as well. Doesn’t that balance it out?


114 posted on 03/28/2015 7:57:32 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

I’d not thought of it that way.

I guess Rome really has DOES have the True Church!


115 posted on 03/29/2015 4:27:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: johniegrad

what is the evidentiary proof?

Scriptures?

I have had this discussion more than once at FR, and it seems to end up like this:

1.) Declarative statement: “The Bible is True!”

2.) Interrogative retort: “How do you know the Bible is true?”

3.) Declarative retort: “Because there are scriptures that say the Bible is true.”

4.) Retort to #3: “How do you know those scriptures are true?”

5.) Retort to #4: “Because those scriptures are in the Bible!”

In the end it comes down to circular reasoning or faith.

Some then point to archaeological evidence to support their contention and point at an empty tomb. They then state that the empty tomb is proof that Jesus rose from the dead. Others respond that perhaps Jesus didn’t die and that the coolness of the tomb revived Him or that the women went back to the wrong tomb. This becomes then an arguing against Jesus rising from the dead when the onus of proof is and has always been upon those who believe Jesus rose from the dead to prove He rose from the dead.

There is no empirical proff, though. None. It comes down to faith.

Some then point to Jesus’ disciples willing to be persecuted for their faith as proof, but Buddha’s disciples said that the Buddha performed miracles and were willing to be persecuted for their faith. Mohammed’s disciples were willing to be persecuted for their faith and said that Mohammed ascended to heaven bodily. Does what either here say make it true? No. They have no empirical proof, either.

It all comes down to faith...


116 posted on 03/29/2015 12:12:59 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: RoosterRedux
But those followers of Muhammad who said he ascended to heaven bodily and those disciples of the Buddha who said he performed miracles in front of them along with the disciples of Jesus are not here. We have a written record from all of them stating their faith in what they said happened. But their witness doesn't prove anything.

Again, someone can say that the Bible is true and when asked how they know the Bible is true they can say that certain scriptures declare the Bible to be true and when asked how they know those scriptures are true they can reply by saying those scriptures are in the Bible so they must be true. But this is circular reasoning and nothing more.

And empty tomb can be pointed at but that doesn't prove that Jesus rose from the dead and came out of it. Sure, various arguments like the body was stolen, the women went to the wrong tomb and so on have been proffered as arguments against this happening but the onus of proof is upon those who believe it to prove it, and I can't and I doubt anyone can, anymore than Muslims can prove that Mohammad ascended into heaven or that the Buddha performed miracles. Sure archaeological evidence of where the tomb might be has been given also, but showing the location of the poll of Siloam now doesn't mean that Jesus healed anyone there anymore than showing the location of where the disciples of the Buddha recorded Buddha's so-called miracles and archaeologists having found that place proves that the Buddha actually performed miracles there.

117 posted on 03/29/2015 12:22:24 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian
Lets start with this:

Do you believe the Bible to be inspired? If so, is it because there are certain scriptures that declare the Bible to be inspired. Why would you believe those scriptures to be inspired? Because they are in the Bible? If you were to say yes to the last part, then that would be circular reasoning, which would prove nothing.

You have faith in sola scriptura, and other Christians have faith in the scriptures along with the Oral Tradition.

Oral Tradition can be boiled down to circular reasoning, too. So you have your faith and they have their faith, but in the end, “Without faith it is impossible to please God, for they that come to God must believe [by faith] that He exists and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

118 posted on 03/29/2015 12:28:04 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
It isn't about the difference between Protestants and

Catholics. .....It's about the Biblical record of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ as opposed to "something other than" that or in addition to that....as the heading of this thread indicates.

As for faith...it matters 'who' you put your faith in....truth.... or fairy-tales devised by deceptive means to keep a people in bondage.


119 posted on 03/29/2015 12:34:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: Boiler Plate

I have read a lot of that book, but I did concentrate on other sections a little more than the one that I will talk about here:

If I remember correctly McDowell laid out the counter arguments that Jesus did not rise from the dead as being the following:

The coolness of the tomb revived Jesus, the women went back to the wrong tomb, the body was stolen and on and on. But knocking down arguments against something is not the same as arguing for something - as the onus of proof is always upon those who believe something to prove it.

I realize there is no empirical proof that Jesus rose but I can still believe by faith that He did.

The scriptures stating that Jesus Christ healed a man near the pool of Siloam and archaeologists finding this pool does not mean that Jesus actually healed someone near there anymore than archaeologists finding the location where the Buddha’s disciples wrote that he performed miracles is proof that the Buddha actually performed miracles there.


120 posted on 03/29/2015 12:35:20 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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