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Fathers and Daughters – Is This a Missing Key to Modesty Today?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 03-25-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/26/2015 8:25:50 AM PDT by Salvation

Fathers and Daughters – Is This a Missing Key to Modesty Today?

By: Msgr. Charles Pope

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We often speak today of the terrible toll that fatherless homes have on young boys. And this is true. Without a reasonably good (even though not sinless) model of manhood and responsibility, many boys lose their way. Fathers also play a large role in disciplining boys, especially as they grow older and become  stronger than their mothers.

But missing fathers also bring forth terrible effects on many girls. Women, even young girls, certainly do seek and desire the love and appreciation of men and have a desire to be thought of as precious, beautiful, and lovable. Ideally a father is able to model for his daughter that a man can appreciate and love her for her own sake, apart from merely her physical charms and “curves.”

Learning this seems critical for a young girl, who is then able to discern the difference between this and the love of other men who may desire her in a more sexual way. That they have sexual desire for her is not wrong per se, but neither is it wrong for her to know that she is lovable for her own sake. Simply loving her for her physical charms is lust. True love is loving her her for her own sake. And even if sexual attraction is part of the picture, it is only part and she can know the difference. Having recognized that a man (in the first case her father) can love her in this fuller way, she is able to insist on it and discern when a young man’s “love” is too narrow.

However, when a young girl does not learn this from her father, she likely still craves the approval of men. But not having learned from her father how to discern the attention of men and not having experienced that she is lovable for her own sake beyond mere physical beauty, she will often confuse the attention that is lust with the love and approval she really seeks.

While I am no professional sociologist, it seems to me that there is a rather strong correlation between the decline of fathers in the home and the rise of immodesty among women. As a man, I find this rise odd and ponder why immodesty is so widespread among women. Why do so many women like to wear short skirts and tight clothes (which seem so uncomfortable) and walk about beaches in a state of almost complete nudity (bikinis)? Something is amiss and way out of balance.

At one level, I have come to discover (through discussions with women on the issue of modesty) that many (especially younger) women really don’t have any idea the effect that they have on men. I have confirmed this in discussion with our Sunday school teenagers. In discussions moderated by women, many young girls just haven’t figured it all out yet. When asked, “Why do you dress that (provocative) way?” they often say, “I don’t know, it’s … like … y’know … comfortable??? … It’s like … cool???”

While some of them may be fibbing, and really do know why, I don’t doubt that, to some degree, there is an innocence about what they do that needs to be schooled. In the past, fathers could help in this regard. Some years ago I remember a remarkable little passage by John Eldridge, in the Book, Wild at Heart that decoded something I have noticed even in the youngest girls:

And finally, every woman wants to have a beauty to unveil. Not to conjure, but to unveil. Most women feel the pressure to be beautiful from very young, but that is not what I speak of. There is also a deep desire to simply and truly be the beauty, and be delighted in. Most little girls will remember playing dress up, or wedding day, or twirling skirts, those flowing dresses that were perfect for spinning around in. She’ll put her pretty dress on, come into the living room and twirl. What she longs for is to capture her daddy’s delight. My wife remembers standing on top of the coffee table as a girl of five or six, and singing her heart out. Do you see me? asks the heart of every girl. And are you captivated by what you see? (Kindle edition Loc 367-83)

Perhaps it is this innocence that has gone somehow wrong, has been untutored, causing some young girls to dress immodestly. And many of them bring that into adulthood.

But even if their intentions are innocent, it is not wrong to teach girls that not everyone views their display so innocently and further that some boys/men are deeply troubled by the temptation it brings, especially as these girls get a bit older.

There is surely a time to provoke and celebrate a sexual appeal and joy: in the marriage bed. But outside this context, women ought to be seen more richly as wives, mothers, sisters, daughters, teachers, and scientists, indeed as whole persons with interests, needs, concerns, and richly varied lives. Fathers can have a critical role in teaching this to both their sons and their daughters.

In the past when I saw an immodestly attired young woman I would ask, “Where is her mother?” Increasingly I also ask, “Where is her father?” She doesn’t seem to understand men. She wants the attention of men but in a way that presses all the wrong buttons. Maybe she’s never considered that a man can and should love her for her own sake, beyond her physical attributes. Maybe she never had the chance to twirl her skirts before a father who delighted in her but without sexual motives, who could tell her she was beautiful and wonderful without the desire to exploit. Maybe she’s still craving this delight but is now twirling her skirts and revealing her beauty to men who cannot, or will not, admire her with such pure motives. And maybe she can’t tell the difference between lust (exploitative desire) and love (desire of her for her own sake) because she never had a father, a good father, there to model the difference.

Anyway, I know women are complicated and that I’m probably going to get killed by both women and men for this post. But before you lay me out, consider for your comment why you think immodesty is so widespread in our culture? I would appreciate it if we could avoid the “men are pigs”, or “these young girls dress like sluts” types of comments. I’m looking for understanding more than venting. I know we all have strong opinions about this topic and that some don’t believe there is in fact any immodesty at all (even in a tiny bikini (a view I think that requires real denial or serious blindness). But the point I’d like to ponder is why.

I have written more on the questions of modesty here:

  1. Modesty is Reverence for Mystery
  2. Modesty and Men
  3. A School Finally Cracks Down


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: boys; catholic; daughter; daughters; daughtersandfathers; family; father; fathers; fathersanddaughters; females; feminism; girls; innocence; manhood; marriage; men; modesty; moralabsolutes; parents; sex; sexualdesire; teens; virtues; women
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To: Albion Wilde

“Churches should hesitate or even refuse to marry a couple unless they show an understanding and acceptance of the Christian values of matrimony.”
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Agree whole heartedly! Divorce is common because marriage is so easy to fall in to. We must emphaisze the permanence of marriage and encourage people to take their time in choosing a person they choose to join for life in the eyes of God.

When the founder of Chic-fil-a spoke out against homosexual marriage we all cheered, but few remember in that same comment, he also spoke out against divorce. We have to return to ALL of our traditions, that includes the premise that marriage is sacred and divorce is wrong.


61 posted on 03/30/2015 12:19:36 PM PDT by Regal
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To: Regal
cheered, but few remember in that same comment, he also spoke out against divorce. We have to return to ALL of our traditions, that includes the premise that marriage is sacred and divorce is wrong.

Agreed. If it hadn't been for no-fault divorce and the waves of divorce among heteros, gay marriage would not have gained a foothold.

62 posted on 03/30/2015 12:25:33 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: Albion Wilde

Best news, however, is that divorce rates have been in a slow and steady decline. This is one of society’s problems that we may be able to do something about. So many have been adversely effected by divorce that there is little support for it.


63 posted on 03/30/2015 12:32:26 PM PDT by Regal
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To: Regal
Best news, however, is that divorce rates have been in a slow and steady decline.

It's just that the rates of cohabitation have gone up. Fewer marriages has equalled fewer divorces, but now up to 40% of children are born out of wedlock. Tragic.

64 posted on 03/30/2015 12:49:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: defconw
That's why women are so nosy and controlling. They are supposed to use those skills to control their OWN children until the kids are 18 years old.
65 posted on 03/30/2015 12:53:05 PM PDT by donna (I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Albion Wilde
I liked her dress as well. A little low in the front, but she's younger than I am so.... I did find a dress with short sleeves and a neckline. The priest was very pleased.

I think that modesty during a wedding is very important for all people attending. It's not a cocktail party.

66 posted on 03/31/2015 5:29:01 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: donna
I was never into it. But I knew girls that used to come to school in mother approved clothing and then change. My mother always went shopping with my sister and I for clothes. She would just tell us that something was or was not attractive and we believed her. So I agree the mom's need to be paying attention to what their girls are wearing.
67 posted on 03/31/2015 5:32:12 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: defconw
I liked her dress as well. A little low in the front, but ...

Plus, she doesn't have big bazooms pushed all up and hanging all out over the strapless top. Strapless is not a good look unless the dress is very well fitted and corseted and the wearer is very fit, with no underarm or back fat -- about 5% of the brides who choose strapless, from the looks of it. Cannot even watch "Say Yes to the Dress" any more.

68 posted on 03/31/2015 9:00:28 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (The greatest danger facing our world: the marriage of militant Islam with nuclear weapons.-Netanyahu)
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To: Albion Wilde

LOL! I know what you mean.


69 posted on 03/31/2015 9:51:27 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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