Posted on 03/24/2015 3:57:42 PM PDT by NYer
Q: I was talking with an Evangelical co-worker and he said the Bible teaches that once we are “saved,” we can never lose our salvation. Is that true?
A: Absolutely not. In fact, the Bible is full of passages that either directly or indirectly contradict this doctrine of “Once Saved, Always Saved.” For example:
Romans 11:17-23, “But if some of the branches were broken off [the Jews], and you, a wild olive shoot [the Gentiles], were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree [Jesus Christ], do not boast over the branches...For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you...Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in His kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.”
Paul is talking about how salvation has come to the Gentiles, while many of the Jews have rejected it. And he makes it very clear that once you have been grafted into Christ, you must “continue in His kindness,” or you can also be cut off. So, even after you’ve been saved, you can still be cut off from Jesus Christ.
This is further seen in Galatians 5:1, “For freedom Christ has set us free; stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery [sin].”
If once saved always saved is true, then one cannot “submit again” to a “yoke of slavery,” and Paul’s warning makes no sense.
But Paul goes on in verse 4 to say, “You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.” Paul is talking to Gentile Christians who had been wrongly taught by the Judaizers that they have to be circumcised and obey the Mosaic Law in order to be true Christians. Paul tells them that is false, and if they submit to circumcision and to the Old Law, they will be “severed from Christ.” If once saved always saved is true, though, they can’t be severed from Christ and, once again, Paul’s warning is meaningless.
We also have the Parable of the Prodigal Son, Luke, chapter 15. The Prodigal Son was in his father’s house, and the father here is representative of God the Father. Then, the Prodigal Son leaves his father’s house and goes and lives a sinful life. In the end, though, he repents and returns to his father. After the Prodigal Son returns, the father says this of him in verse 24: “For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.”
In Evangelical terminology, to be dead is to be unsaved, and to be alive is to be saved. Notice very carefully, though, that the father says the son is alive “again.” In other words, the son was alive, or saved, when he was in his father’s house at the beginning of the parable; was “dead,” or unsaved, when he left his father’s house and lived in sin; then was alive again, saved again, when he repented and returned to his father’s house. Alive, dead, alive again. Saved, unsaved, saved again.
Once saved always saved? I don’t think so.
“If once saved always saved is true, then one cannot submit again to a yoke of slavery, and Pauls warning makes no sense. “
Not true. If you have been “Saved” under OSAS, you can leave the faith and still go to Heaven because you were once Saved.
A lot of people confuse OSAS with Perseverance of the Saints
Thank-you and God Bless you for this excellent posting!
Wow. So true!
It is NOT a STRAW THREAD.
I think you are both right.
If tradition agrees with Scripture: both are equal.
If tradition and Scripture contradict: tradition wins.
Yep
Sign of Life #10—The True Believer Continues in the Faith to the End.
1. ETERNAL SECURITY means that the true believer is safe and secure in Christ forever. Eternal security is clearly taught in the book of Hebrews. Find the verses in Hebrews that teach us these facts about our eternal security in Christ (the chapter is given; you must find the verse):
Hebrews 5:_____ Salvation is forever (”eternal salvation”).
Hebrews 7:_____ God is able to save completely (”to the uttermost”).
Hebrews 7:_____ Christ never stops interceding for His own.
Hebrews 9:_____ Our redemption is forever (”eternal redemption”).
Hebrews 9:_____ Our inheritance is forever (”eternal inheritance”).
Hebrews 9:_____ Christ appears in Gods presence for us (on behalf of His children).
Hebrews 10:_____ Christ has perfected forever His saints.
Hebrews 12:____ God chastens (not condemns) His children.
Hebrews 13:____ Christ will never ever leave us and He will never ever forsake us!
Does the writer of the book of Hebrews teach that the true believer is safe and secure in Christ forever? _______
2. HEBREWS 3:6. What is Christs house today (compare 1 Tim. 3:15 and Matt. 16:18)? __________________________. Christ is the Builder and the Head of this house. Who is Christs house today (Heb. 3:6)? _________________________ If a person does not “hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end” then what does this prove? ___________________________________________________________ Think of scaffolding which is erected around a building during times of construction or repair. Scaffolding is merely a temporary attachment. It is not a real and genuine part of the building. Proof of this is in the fact that the scaffolding does not continue with the building but rather it is taken down and removed. If a person is truly a part of Christs house, then what will that person do according to Hebrews 3:6? _______________________________________________________________________________
3. HEBREWS 3:14. The verb “are made” is in the perfect tense, meaning that we have become partakers of Christ with the result that we are (and continue to be) partakers of Christ. A “partaker” is a partner, one who shares in common, participates with. A true believer is a partaker of Christ. He shares in Christs LIFE. He is united to Christ in a unique way. How many believers are partakers of Christ (Heb. 3:14), that is, how many believers have Christ and share in His LIFE (see 1 John 5:12; John 6:47)? ________ When did you become a partaker of Christ? THE MOMENT I __________________________________________
Will a true “partaker of Christ” ever stop being a partaker of Christ (compare Phil. 1:6; 1 Pet. 1:5; Rom. 8:38-39; etc.)? ______ If a person has truly become a partaker of Christ, then what will he do (Heb. 3:14)? _________________________________________________________________________ The word “hold” means “hold fast” (it is the same word as in Heb. 3:6). If a person does not “hold fast the beginning of his confidence stedfast unto the end” (see Heb. 3:14), then this indicates that this person never truly became a P___________________ of Christ. He was just a temporary attachment.
4. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:2. The expression “keep in memory” means “hold fast” (the same word as in Hebrews 3:6 and 3:14). If a person does not HOLD FAST to the gospel which Paul preached, then this would show us that the person was never really S_____________. In other words, this person did not believe to the _________________ of his ____________ (see Heb. 10:39), but he believed _____ ___________ (see 1 Cor. 15:2). Is there a difference between genuine saving faith and a faith that is IN VAIN? _______ If a person really has saving faith, then he will HOLD FAST to the gospel that was ________________ unto him (1 Cor. 15:2). A person believes in Christ and is saved. Twenty or thirty years later, we should expect this person to say something like this: “I am still trusting my Lord Jesus Christ who died for me and rose again for me.” On his deathbed (assuming he still has his mental faculties) he will still echo this truth: “My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness!” If he is trusting something or someone else, then something is drastically wrong.
5. COLOSSIANS 1:22-23. True or False: _______________ God will present EVERY BELIEVER holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight (Col. 1:22; see Jude 24-25). If a person does not “continue in the faith” (see Col. 1:23), then what does this indicate (circle the correct answer):
The believer will lose his salvation.
God is not able to keep the believer from falling away (see Jude 24).
The person was never a true believer in the first place (just a temporary attachment) and this is why he did not continue in the faith.
The person will stop being a saint.
Continuing in the faith is one of the marks of a true believer. There are certainly times when we fail and falter, when we waver and wander. Remember Peter who denied his Lord three times. But the Lord prayed for Peter that his faith would not F_________ (Luke 22:31-32). Peters faith certainly faltered, but he recovered, and ultimately his faith did not fail. He remained a faithful believer to the end of his life. This does not mean that believers need to keep themselves saved and only those believers with enough stamina and persistence will qualify for heaven. Even Peter knew that believers are “kept by the ______________ of ________” (1 Peter 1:5). The reason believers continue in the faith is because God keeps His believers faithful. Though we must hold fast to Him and cleave to Him always, yet it is not ultimately our hold upon Him, but His hold upon us that keeps us safe (see John 10:28-29).
6. LUKE 8:6,13. What is the one thing that is SIMILAR between the seed that fell on the rocky ground and the seed that fell on the good ground (compare verse 6 and verse 8)? _________________________________________________________________
Rocky Ground (verse 6)
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Goof Ground (verse 8)
If you were to walk by these two growing plants (the one on rocky ground and the other on good ground) would you notice any difference at first? _______ What one thing is needed before you would be able to tell the difference (circle the correct answer):
Rain would be needed.
Time would be needed.
Fertilizer would be needed.
So it is with those who claim to be believers. At first, how do they receive the Word (see verse 13)?______________________ Do they CONTINUE to receive Gods Word even unto the end? _____ For how long do they believe (v.13)? ____________________ Is this genuine saving faith or is it merely temporary faith? _________________________ When things get rough and tough what do these so-called believers do?______________________________ Do they continue in the faith grounded (having deep roots) and settled (compare Col. 1:23)? _____ Would you say that their faith is “in vain” (1 Cor. 15:2)? _______ They lack deep roots!
Read Luke 8:15. Those on good soil not only hear the Word but they also _____________ it. This word “keep” (Greek-katecho) is the same word which we found in Hebrews 3:6 (HOLD FAST) and Hebrews 3:14 (HOLD) and 1 Corinthians 15:2 (KEEP IN MEMORY). The true believer hears Gods Word and KEEPS IT (holds fast to the Lord Jesus even to the end) even as the Corinthian believers HELD FAST to the gospel which Paul preached unto them (1 Cor. 15:2).
In John 3:16 (and numerous other passages) the verb BELIEVETH” is in the present tense indicating that the action of the verb is continuous: “whosoever believeth (keeps on believing, continues to believe) in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” In light of this verse, circle the answers below that are true:
If a true believer does not continue to believe, then he will lose his salvation (see John 10:28).
A true believer will continue to believe. A true believer never stops being a believer. A true believer never becomes an unbeliever (although he may fail to trust God in many ways in his day by day walk). A true saint keeps on believing on Christ.
A true believer takes hold of Christ, holds on to Christ and never lets go. He is anchored to the living God forever (Heb. 6:19).
From the day he is saved to the day he breathes his last, the true believer must confess that Christ is his Saviour, God is his Father, the Holy Spirit is his Comforter and heaven is his home. There are times when he may not be spiritually healthy, indeed he may be quite carnal and fleshly, but he is able to tell you who his Saviour is. His hope is built on nothing less than Jesus blood and righteousness!
Do the people described in Luke 8:13 continue to believe? _______ Are they true believers?______ Does a true believer draw back unto eternal destruction (Heb. 10:39)? _____ The writer of the book of Hebrews speaks for all true believers when he says, “We are ______ of them who _____________ ___________ unto _______________________” (Heb. 10:39), but on the contrary, the true saint is the person who believes to the “_________________ of his ____________.” In Luke 8:15 the word “PATIENCE” means “endurance” (abiding and remaining faithful under the pressures and hardships and trials of life). Only the seed that was on the _____________ ground HELD FAST to the Word and ENDURED to the end. This brings us to point seven found in the following paragraph.
7. MATTHEW 24:13 (compare Matthew 10:22). Will the tribulation be a difficult time of testing and a severe time of trial for the true saints of God (Matthew 24:21-22)? ______ When the going gets rough, what happens to those who do not really have saving faith (Luke 8:13)? _________________________________________ If the church you attend were suddenly to come under the fires of persecution, do you think it would be more evident who the true believers really are? _____ Do you think you might notice a drop in attendance under conditions of persecution (if life and limb were threatened)? ______ If a person in the tribulation does not ENDURE (same word as in Luke 8:15”patience”) to the end, what does this indicate (Matthew 24:13)? Circle the correct answer: a. His defection proved that he lost his salvation. b. His defection proved that he was never really saved in the first place. Those who are truly saints in the tribulation will do what (Matthew 24:13)? ______________________________________________________________________
Answer the following True or False:
________ To be saved an unsaved person in the tribulation must endure to the end (see Acts 16:30-31).
________A saved tribulation saint will endure to the end. God will preserve him and carry him through.
________The reason a tribulation saint is able to endure to the end is because he is saved and kept by the power of God.
________ If a person claiming to be a believer does not endure to the end and decides instead to identify with the Antichrist and his system (by taking the mark, etc.), this proves that his profession was not a true possession.
Remember, enduring to the end is not something that a person does not be saved; it is something that a saved person does. It is an evidence of salvation not a condition of salvation.
8. THE SHIP OF FAITH illustration (ACTS 27:22-25,31,44).
The Ship of Acts 27
In Acts 27 we have the account of Paul and others in his ship being caught in a violent storm. From every indication it seemed that all the men would perish in the sea. But God had other plans. How many of the crewmen would be lost (Acts 27:22)? __________How many would be saved (Acts 27:24)? ______ Who said so (Acts 27:25)? ________ Although the safety of all on board was promised by God, in verse 31 Paul warns them to ______________ in the ship. This warning was necessary because in verse 30 we learn that the crewmen were about to abandon ship. If they had left the ship, would they have been saved (verse 31)? _____ Did they ALL remain in the ship as Paul told them to do in verse 31? ______ Were they ALL saved (verse 44)?_______ ship1.gif (8595 bytes)
The Ship of Faith
Every believer is on the ship of faith (John 6:47; Acts 16:31). Will any of these believers be lost (John 10:28-30)? _____ Who said so? __________Even though the safety of all true believers is promised by God, yet God still gives strong WARNINGS to believers and tells them to TAKE HEED lest they should __________________ from the living God and become APOSTATES (Hebrews 3:12). God encourages believers to STAY IN THE SHIP (see Col. 1:23”_____________________ in the faith”; Acts13:43”__________________ in the grace of God”; Acts 14:22”___________________in the faith”). ship2.gif (8595 bytes)
Just as God used Pauls warning as a MEANS of keeping the crewmen safe, so God uses many warnings (such as we find in Hebrews 3:6,12,14; 1 Cor. 15:2; Heb. 10:38; etc.) as a MEANS of keeping the believer safe and secure in Christ forever. In a similar way, a loving parent may gave a young child very strong warnings about the dangers of walking out into the street. The purpose of these warnings is to keep the child safe. The parent could reassure the child by saying, “You will not be hit by a car if you stay off the road and dont even go near the road.” It would be foolish to say, “You will not be hit by a car so you can go anywhere you want to go.” Likewise God would never say, “Since you are saved and eternally secure, you can live any way you please and you can turn away from Christ and abandon the faith if you wish.”
Think again of the illustration in Acts 27. Who was it that really kept the crewmen safe (circle the correct answer):
The crewmen kept themselves safe because they remained in the ship (v.31).
God kept the crewmen safe (v.24).
Now apply this to the believer and circle the correct answer:
The believer keeps himself safe and secure in Christ by continuing in the faith.
God keeps the believer safe and secure in Christ (1 Pet. 1:5; John 17:12).
Answer True or False:
_______ The true believer is like a man on a ship. He may fall again and again on the deck, but he will never fall overboard.
_______ Judas fall (betraying Christ) was fatal, thus proving that he was never a true believer.
_______ Peters fall (denying Christ) was fatal, thus proving that he was never a true believer.
Peter fell hard on the deck, as it were, but did he recover (Luke 22:31-32)? _______ Does God keep us apart from faith (whether we keep on believing in Him or not) or does God keep us through faith (1 Peter 1:5)? ___________________________________________________ God keeps us faithful!
9. JOHN 10:27-30. Who are the only ones who can claim the promises given in verses 28-30 (see verse 27)? _________________________________________ A true SHEEP does two things according to verse 27: 1) __________________________________________ 2)___________________________________ If a person does not listen to Gods Word and does not follow Christ, what must we conclude? ________________________________________________
10. PRACTICAL EXAMPLES.
A. “I was once a member of a young peoples gospel team. We were all saved, and we had some success in preaching the Gospel. But one member of the team got into worldly company. He married a very worldly girl. He denied his Christian profession of faith, and he died a drunkard. Now you see, he was a Christian; he went to heaven; but he was a carnal Christian and he did not have the reward of a spiritual Christian.” We know that only God knows the hearts of men, yet, in the light of our study, would you say that this person was probably saved (as the above paragraph claims) or probably unsaved? _____________________
Note: Were the Corinthian believers carnal (1 Cor. 3:1-4)? ______ Would these Corinthian believers continue in the faith unto the end (1 Cor. 1:8)? _________ Beware lest we use carnality as an excuse. Many who might claim to be carnal believers might be headed for eternal destruction. Paul assumed that the Corinthian believers were HOLDING FAST to the gospel that he preached to them (1 Cor. 15:2). Some who think that they are carnal and think they will be saved so as by fire will really be lost so as by fire (the lake of fire). Some who think they will be saved by the “skin of their teeth” will actually be lost in the lake of fire where there will be “weeping and gnashing” of their teeth.
B. A chapel speaker once said, “Dear young people, there are two ways to go to heaven, the spiritual way and the carnal way. It is so much better to take the spiritual way!” One young person thought to himself, “I am a Christian, but I do not mind sitting in the bleachers. I choose to go to heaven the carnal way!” In light of our study, do you think this is the attitude a true believer should have? _______
C. Many people profess to be Christians, but their daily lives do not differ from thousands of unbelievers all around them. They are rarely, if ever, found at the prayer meeting. They have no family worship; they seldom read the Scriptures; they will not talk with you about the things of God; their walk is thoroughly worldly; yet they are quite sure they are bound for heaven! You ask them how they know they are saved and they will tell you that many years ago they “accepted” Christ and “once saved always saved” is now their comfort. Are they really giving evidence that they are truly saved? ______Its true that if a person is once saved, he will always be saved, but each person needs to make sure that he is really saved ONCE FOR ALL, FOREVER by the grace of God!
D. Thomas Cranmer was the moving force of the Protestant Reformation in the mid 16th century in England. In 1555 he was excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church in Rome. As pressures mounted Cranmer weakened and he even signed a statement in which he denied the Christian faith. Just before he was to be put to death by Queen Mary (who was strongly Catholic and who caused almost 300 people to be burned, thus earning for herself the name “BLOODY MARY”) he renounced his denial, and once more and in the strongest terms declared his faith in Christ. In dramatic fashion he showed how he felt about his denial of the principles of the Reformation. The hand which had signed the denial he held firmly in the flames until it was burned to a crisp. Then the flames scorched his body, and he died the death of a martyr. Do you think you will someday see Thomas Cranmer in heaven (Rev. 2:10-11)? ___________.
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Fickle??
And then there is “The Lord’s Prayer”:
“...and forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive others, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.”
Was Christ instructing us to waste our time?
The whole discussion of Satan and his angels and the fall is to vast for this forum.
Yet people do it all the time.
You can’t be plucked from His Hand but you can jump out.
Or rely on an occasion when they walked down to the front of the church and repeated a prayer
Well, that's what you get for thinkin'...
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
That's just one verse on eternal security...There's plenty of them...
Calvinism as in Pre-destination, no mortal choice in salvation and where women are 2nd class citizens?
Not true. If you have been Saved under OSAS, you can leave the faith and still go to Heaven because you were once Saved. A lot of people confuse OSAS with Perseverance of the Saints
Good point.
Perseverance is not "get your ticket punched and you're good to go."
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