laimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
I'll bet Joseph ETAL said this to ALL the girls!!
Not so...
Oh?
And you KNOW this HOW?
Storm Prepper tell you?
Elsie, we had lots of fun when the subject was Mormonism.
But I’ve been a Catholic all my life. Turned toward Evangelicalism in college & I have loved Bible study ever since, but the divine Presence of Christ through the sacraments at the Mass is the core of my Christian faith. I believe that Jesus bequeathed His powers of consecration & forgiveness to His apostles, from whom there is a chain of apostolic succession down to the present day.
Wouldn’t have cared two cents about Mormonism until I began to learn of the anti-Catholicism that is hardwired into the LDS church, which also refers to Protestant denominations as the “lewd daughters of Rome”. The mishies did try to convert me on my way to Vietnam, but that’s decades gone.
I don’t worship Mary the Mother of Jesus but I venerate her memory and those of the Saints whose lives are given as examples for us.
Threads like this one often degenerate into pronouncements as to who is or is not a true Christian. That led to the Thirty Years’ War among other sectarian strifes.
Christ is my Savior and I call on His Name several times daily. No prayer unto His throne has ever gone unanswered.
They dedicate themselves entirely to Mary yet deny she is somehow their deity.
It is part of the Nicene Creed. “begotten by the Father”. It is an article of faith for us. It has been that way for over 1500 years. Odd that you question it now...
“and has most lamented this forum’s existence?”
Holy smoke, I was indulging in a little hyperbole! No calls for religious war here.
Maybe I should have said that the passing of judgement on someone’s Christianity such as goes on here can appear to be intolerance of individual differences.
Criticizing a thread is not calling for its abolition, IMO.
Let’s debate, but without the implied charge of apostasy.
My question to you is...
Have you paid attention over the years to which group of worshippers has most requested the demise of the FR Religion forum and has most lamented this forum’s existance?
No. I don’t post threads that mock the faith of others. I don’t see that as the Christian thing to do.
You RC bias is showing. Where have you been even in the past 3 years (never even seen you here) when RCs were posting threads like,
There Is No Salvation Outside The Catholic Church (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)
Divinum Officium: Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned
Why Catholicism Is Preferable to Protestantism
The Protestant's Dilemma: A Review
Protecting God’s Word From “Bible Christians”
Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?
Protestants: It's time to come back
From Fundamentalist Baptist to Catholic
EWTN - The Journey Home - November 10, 2014 - Dale Ahlquist, convert from being a Baptist
The Trouble With Calvin – Pt. 1
Why would anyone become Catholic?
In Defense of the Immaculate Conception: Part 2
The Nature of the Mass and the need for Sacrifice
The Hail Mary of a Protestant
500 Years of Chaos: Protestantism’s Anniversary
And which is just a few, plus multitudes of pro RC polemics for herself that invite and incite debate.
But all RCs see is what reproves Rome's errors and elitism, and whine about what exposes her. Which is what their posting has resulted in, as can be shown, by God's grace.
And when we brought up the issue of the plethora of papist postings, i was told we should post our own, so now that has happened more yet RCs still complain.
Interestingly, RCs have influence over the google algorithms.
Search “ why catholics dislike protestants “.
So when an elitists church damns us all to Hell, or at least says our churches are not worthy to be called churches, and her devottees incessantly post articles that promote Rome and impugn our faith, even if sometimes using strawmen (want multitude examples?), we are not to be allowed to counter this errors and elitism?
Mary supplied the body, not the divinity...Mary had other children...They had no divinity...
Does scripture describe the birth of any other children that Mary may have had as follows?
“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
Was not the child that “shall be born” fully human and fully divine at the time of His birth? And by conceiving in her womb and bringing forth “that holy thing that shall be called the Son of God,” did Mary not become the mother of this child in His humanity and in His divinity; that is, the mother of God incarnate?
If this is not so, please explain.
Frankly, i am amazed at seeing posters whom i have never seen post here on the FR in my quite active engagement over the years, come in here and display their ignorance of what has been going on for years with RCs incessantly posting articles and posts which invite and incite debate, a sample of which post 472 lists, and then whine when countered.
No, it doesn’t concern me because Jim Robinson is a champion of freedom of expression & he won’t allow that to happen.
If you’re implying that it’s Catholics who complain the most about this Religion Forum, then I would remind my fellow Catholics that Holy Mother Church has endured far worse than a few online critics, and those Catholics should grow a thicker skin.
A far greater threat to Rome is our current screwball Pope, but we’ve had those before, especially during the Renaissance. As a layman I could have told the College of Cardinals to never, never, elect a Jesuit to anything, they’ve been nothing but trouble over the last four centuries.
I assume that Protestant critics of the Church of Rome believe in Sola Scriptura, which I am quite familiar with. FWIW, I’ll take a fervent independent Protestant any day over the mushiness of the major denominations.
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