Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israels history.
I dont know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want. I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven, said Lucy. Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne. Lucy asked: Will I stay here alone?, Dont be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16). Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28), I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6).
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved. Then She said: If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world. Do you want to learn a prayer? the vision asked, Yes we do! the children responded. When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.
Now lets look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like Our Lady centered command rather than Jesus centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes. Then Lucy asked: may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?. Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they dont offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended. Do you Want anything else from me? Lucy asked. I do not want anything more.
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in HER honor, and not Jesus nor the Fathers honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed. This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared 6 times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are Our Lady of Rosary centered rather than God centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for Our Lady of Rosary rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
Are you telling us that Stephen -- because He prayed DIRECTLY to Jesus and not God the Father -- is to "condemned" & "casted out" at the "last day"???
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen PRAYED, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. (Acts 7:59)
Or, since you buy into the Book of Mormon, were those Mormonite Nephite disciples who prayed directly unto the Mormon jesus likewise condemned?
They prayed to him in 3 Nephi 19:7...again in v. 18...again in v.24... Then they thought that wasn't enough direct prayer to Jesus. So "he came unto his disciples, and behold, they did still continue, without ceasing, to pray unto him." (3 Nephi 19:24)
And what? The Mormon Jesus condemned them for praying directly unto him? (No!) "And it came to pass that Jesus blessed them as they did pray unto him" (3 Nephi 19:25)
"And Jesus said unto them: Pray on; nevertheless they not cease to pray." (3 Nephi 19:26)
So what? You arbitrarily dismiss Acts 7:59 and 3 Nephi 19 just so you can claim what your Mormon leaders claim to be the "absolute" laws of God?
Wow! Don't overwhelm us with your description of God's Word!
Hmmm...I wonder how many good textbooks this description fits?
ALL: Unlike Stormprepper's open dissing of the Bible: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(2 Tim. 3)
You left out some words or added something that clouds my understanding of your post to me. It sounded angry but I’m still wanting to know in English what you meant to say to me.
Chosen? 382AD?
Not chosen...merely "received" it..."confirmed" that which the Holy Spirit already set apart, to the obvious discernment of early church fathers:
The early church fathers (97-180) quoted from 28 of the 29 New Testament books.
* In fact, EVERY New Testament book was referenced pre-150 except Philemon and 3 John.
* The 170 A.D. Muratorian Canon had only excluded Hebrews, James, and 3 John.
* Would it be possible to cull together the New Testament from what they wrote within 150-200 years from the time of Christ? (Answer? Yes...Well, yes, minus 11 verses)
The Holy Spirit...
...inspired the Bible...
...canonized the Bible;
...what greater authority do you need?
12 I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. ...15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you. (John 16)
The Holy Spirit...
...inspired the Bible...
...canonized the Bible;
...what greater authority do you need?
None.
But some people think they have some golden plates miraculously translated by someone with their head in their hat.
Or was that ‘talking out of his hat’? I forget which...
And some honesty...
And where do you see where Jesus or the apostles taught that any human was worthy of an honorific???
It seems you are not considering the scriptures that likely contribute to that situation...
When Jesus went to the Cross his brothers and sisters were unbelievers...Would Jesus want his unbelieving siblings potentially preventing his mother from fellowshipping with believers???
Jesus did not put all that much credence in blood relationships...Note that he said that mothers would turn against fathers, children against parents, etc...
Jesus emphasized that his spiritual mothers and brothers and sisters were more valuable than blood relation...
And perhaps Jesus' male siblings were not old enough to care for his mother...
Jesus wanted his most cherished friend and spiritual brother to take care of his mother...And Jesus was moving away from the Jewish law and tradition...
Maybe so... but he did say (a lot):
Jesus had every single word of the scriptures memorized...He didn't need a bible...
Because they don't believe in being born again...They admit they are not saved (as in salvation) but hope to get saved someday, if they do enough good works...
We take them at their word and try to show them with scripture they have been taught wrong...
And worse yet, they submit post after post that what they teach is true and must be adhered to for anyone to have a chance at eternal life in heaven...And they don't even believe in heaven...It's a 'state' of mind...
Ghandi didn’t know Jesus Christ...I wouldn’t take his advice...
You couldn't be more wrong...Intercessor, maybe...But definitely not a mediator...
I am not angry at you, and I'm sorry if you thing so.
You seem to have an some animus towards the Catholic Church. Don't be. We are working towards the same goal. Eternal Salivation. My witness was REAL and Profound and I have had some since then. Just not as great.
I believe we may be facing the end of times (How long I don't know) and fighting amongst ourselves is not productive when SO many people have NO religion at ALL.
Hmm...that does ring a bell.
(I think that's the same religion whereby those 'miraculously' unveiled golden plates were guided by a ghost named Moroni...for ONLY in that religion do you have the tenet that a resurrected man can advance to angel status...)
That's the irony. That religion pits the Bible vs. its other standard works...reducing it to a council of men who decided which books would be included...all while its main standard work for which they are nicknamed has even by their own admission LOTS of books left out...others "abridged"...and which books to be included on the "golden plates" was apparently decided by just one man about sixteen hundred years ago...IF we are to believe what they say)
Don’t forget the blood drinking. Oh and incense burning too. You know what the worst part is? We pass the offering plate twice. :-)
Thank you :). It easy to preach to the choir. It is the others I'm to trying to inspire.
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