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DEMOCRATS FEAR A ‘CATHOLIC APOCALYPSE’
Catholic Vote ^ | March 16, 2015 | TOM HOOPES

Posted on 03/16/2015 4:21:19 PM PDT by NYer

democratic apocalypse

“The Democratic Party is facing a Catholic apocalypse,” Patricia Miller warns at Salon.

Her article does a good job of marshaling statistics, but when she assesses the reasons for the apocalypse she makes a critical error.

“White Catholics are now identifying as Republicans by historic margins,” she says, and lists the evidence.

• She cites Pew data showing that 53% of white Catholics favor the GOP, versus 39% who favor Democrats.

• Catholics voted for John McCain over Barack Obama in 2008’s presidential race by 5 percentage points, she says — but chose Mitt Romney over Obama by 19 points four years later, she says.

• The U.S. House has gone from a Catholic Democrat “bastian” in 2009 — with 98 Catholic Democrats and 37 Catholic Republicans to having more Catholic Republicans than Catholic Democrats for the first time ever in 2015 — though only barely; 69 to 68.

• Between 2009 and 2014 the number of white Catholics who thought the White House was unfriendly to religious doubled from 17% to 36%, according to Pew, says Miller.

The article looks for blame for the sudden shift, and offers a few ideas. It could be the bishops who say you can’t support Democrats because of abortion. It could be that left-leaning Catholics are leaving the Church, leaving only “conservative” Catholics in the fold. It could be that bishops (every bishop, by the way) are in her words “demonizing” the HHS mandate — the federal mandate that says Catholic employers must violate their consciences or face crippling fines.

Last, she cites Pew data showing Catholics wanting more conservative spending and immigration policies to say it could be the “Tea Party-ization of white Catholics.”

She is right. It could be any of those outside influences changing the dynamic.

But the only group missing from her list of possible suspects is the most likely culprit: the Democratic Party itself.

First, on abortion, the Democratic Party has changed dramatically. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy and Jesse Jackson all started out supporting the right to life. Democrats for Life powerfully make the case that liberals should be pro-life. But the party’s harsh stand against the right to life has left it hemorrhaging people of conscience for a long time.

Princeton’s Robbie George left the party over abortion decades ago.  Jo Ann Nardelli, an important Democratic organizer who had close ties to the late Gov. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania  over social issues. Bishop Thomas Tobin left in 2013, giving up all hope for reform in the party.

For years, the Clintonian formula allowed Democrats to believe they wanted abortion to be “safe, legal and rare.” Kermit Gosnell did away with the “safe” part . The 2012 Democratic platform did away with the “rare” part. Now all that is left is the “legal” part.

Just last week, Democrats killed a bill against human-trafficking because it didn’t pay federal money to abortion businesses. It is hard to accept a party that would do that, and many people simply won’t.

But Miller misses two other key factors in Catholic defections.

First: War.

Catholics don’t only care about abortion. As the Financial Times wrote in 2008, Pennsylvania swung away from the Republicans over the Iraq war.

What did Catholics get for their votes? Under Obama’s watch, U.S. kill teams in Afghanistan made international headlines. The administration’s violence created chaos in Libya and our premature exit from Iraq created an opening for ISIS, and the Obama administration shamefully redefined “civilian” to justify his own drone policy.

Catholics who voted for Obama got more abortion, less religious liberty, and more violence worldwide.

Second: Latinos.

By stressing “white Catholics,” the article doesn’t mention that Latino Catholics are also not a cinch for the Democratic Party.

When party-switcher New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez said, “I’ll be damned, we’re Republicans” she was describing a feeling others may be having. Latinos were not the shoe-in they were supposed to be for Democrats last November.

It’s no wonder: Latinos are more pro-life in polls than the general population.

But one thing Miller totally gets right is that the changing dynamic heralds more changes to come.

“The shift in the Catholic vote should really be a wakeup call to the Democrats,” she quotes Democratic activist Steve Krueger saying. “White Catholics are 18 percent of the electorate and Catholics vote 1 to 2 percentage points above their representation in the overall population. This is a significant voting bloc that now perceives Republicans as being more welcoming to people of faith.”


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To: redgolum

BJ Clinton and Obama won Hispanic areas as well (regardless of what denomination they belonged to); like Catholics, they are split between the parties. If Hispanics ever sign on to voting for Dems 99% of the time, they need look no further than the current plight of blacks to see where that leads...completely taken for granted.


21 posted on 03/16/2015 4:48:07 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: FatherofFive

You are spot on.

Our problem has always required wholesale betrayal of the faith that has to occur to ever reach that liberal majority
of Catholics.

We are still thick with Pelosi types, socialists and social justice purveyors crowding out Tradition and solid teaching.

I’m doubtful but somewhat heartened to hear this liberal writer vouch think that the apostates have already left the Catholic Church, resulting in a more “conservative” (orthodox) composition of Catholics in the Church.

We will soon see.


22 posted on 03/16/2015 4:49:21 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: NYer

The democrats, esp. with the current racists they have in power, need to fear losing white people in general, not just Catholics.


23 posted on 03/16/2015 4:51:15 PM PDT by jocon307 (Tell it like it is.)
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To: Salvation
I’ve been saying all along that there are more Catholic Republicans than Democrats.

That isn't true at all, we all know how the Catholic vote goes, even you do, and blacks vote as a race, whether Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, or Muslim, or whatever, but their numbers are small and stable, we aren't importing millions and millions of more black voters, like we are Catholic voters.

The democrats are not counting on increasing numbers of black voters to take over more republican states, they are counting on Catholic voters to do that.

24 posted on 03/16/2015 4:53:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: redgolum; kearnyirish2; fieldmarshaldj; amnestynone; metmom; boatbums; caww; ...
Hope this is not too much, but much more here on Catholic views vs evangelical.

    Ethnic views section in particular

  • Latinos make up about 40 percent of all U.S. Catholics (Pew Research states 33%); 70 percent of Latinos are Catholic; 23 percent of Latinos are Protestant or “other Christian;” 37 percent of the U.S. Latino population (14.2 million) self-identifies as “born-againor evangelical (26% as born again); This figure includes Catholic charismatics, who constitute 22 percent of U.S. Latino Catholics; http://www.nhclc.org/news/latino-religion-us-demographic-shifts-and-trend

  • In 2007, 68% of Latinos identified as Catholics, two-thirds being immigrants. 42% did not graduate from high school. 46% have a household income of less than $30,000 per year - lower than that of other religious traditions. The Latino electorate was overwhelmingly Catholic (63%), and 70% of all Latino eligible voters who identified as Democrats were Catholics. http://www.pewhispanic.org/2007/04/25/changing-faiths-latinos-and-the-transformation-of-american-religion/

  • 15% of Hispanics overall identified themselves as evangelicals. 64% have at least a high school diploma, and about 39% have a household income of less than $30,000 per year Among Hispanic eligible voters who were evangelicals, 37% said they considered themselves Republicans and 32% said they were Democrats. http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Demographics/hispanics-religion-07-final-mar08.pdf

  • Among registered voters in 2007, 50% of white Evangelicals and 36% of Latino Evangelicals were Republican, 25% of the former and 36% of the latter were Democrats. 23% white Evangelical and 19% of Latino Evangelicals were Independents http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Demographics/hispanics-religion-07-final-mar08.pdf

  • 70% of Latino registered voters in 2012 identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 22% identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. 81 percent of Latinos with no religious affiliation were Democrats or Democratic leaning. http://www.pewforum.org/Race/Latinos-Religion-and-Campaign-2012.aspx#president

  • 73% of Latino Catholics surveyed said they favored Obama, versus 19% for Romney, while 50% of Latino evangelical Protestants (who accounted for 16% of all Latino registered voters) favored Obama, and 39% were for Romney. http://www.pewforum.org/Race/Latinos-Religion-and-Campaign-2012.aspx

  • Latino Catholics made up 57% of the Latin electorate in 2012, and 71% are Democrats or lean toward the Democratic Party, while 21% identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. Among Latino evangelical voters, about half are Democrats or lean Democratic, while about a third are Republicans or lean toward the Republican Party. http://www.pewforum.org/Race/Latinos-Religion-and-Campaign-2012.aspx

  • White, non-Hispanic Catholics express about as much support for same-sex marriage as Hispanic Catholics do (53% and 54%, respectively). White evangelical Protestants are somewhat more opposed to gay marriage (76%) than are Hispanic evangelical Protestants (66%). ^

  • Latino Evangelicals are 50% more likely than those who are Catholics to identify with the Republican Party, and are significantly more conservative than Catholics on social issues, foreign policy issues and even in their attitudes toward the plight of the poor. http://pewforum.org/surveys/hispanic

  • 54% of Hispanic Catholics believe that churches and other places of worship should be required to provide health care coverage that includes contraception, compared to 41% Hispanic Protestants. African American & Hispanic Reproductive Issues Survey by the Public Religion Research Institute, July 2012

  • 80% of religiously unaffiliated Hispanics, and 62% of Hispanic Catholics, and 47% of Hispanic mainline Protestants support allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, versus 21% of evangelical Protestants (79% oppose same-sex marriage).http://publicreligion.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Catholics-and-LGBT-Issues-Survey-Report.pdf

  • 52% of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, along with 74% of Evangelical Protestants. ^

  • 30% of Hispanic Catholics say that having an abortion is morally wrong, compared to 7% who say it is morally acceptable. nearly 59% of evangelical Protestants say that having an abortion is morally wrong, compared to only 4% who say it is morally acceptable. ^

  • 45% of Hispanic Catholics and 51% of mainline Protestants say that sexual relations between two adults of the same gender is morally wrong, compared to 16% of Catholics and 19% of mainline Protestants who say it is morally acceptable.10% of Hispanic Catholics and 4% of mainline Protestants believe the morality of same gender sexual activity depends on the situation, and 27% of Catholics and 23% of mainline Protestants say it is not a moral issue. ^

  • 72% of evangelical Protestants say that sexual relations between two adults of the same gender is morally wrong, while 8% say it is morally acceptable. 6% say that the morality of the behavior depends on the situation and 14% say that it is not a moral issue. ^

  • 51% of Hispanic Catholics and mainline Protestants say that it is possible to disagree with church teachings on homosexuality and remain a good Catholic or Christian, versus 70% of evangelical Hispanic Protestants who say it is not possible to disagree with church teachings on the issue of homosexuality and remain a good Christian. ^

  • 12% of Hispanic Catholics, and 22% of Hispanic mainline Protestants and 50% of Hispanic evangelicals report that religion is the most important thing in their lives. ^

  • Catholics and mainline Protestants do not differ in the frequency of their religious attendance from Hispanics overall, while evangelical Protestants are significantly more likely to attend religious services regularly.

  • 5% of Hispanics report that they do not believe in God. Hispanic Catholics closely resemble Hispanics overall, with 59% believing God is a person and 32% believing God is an impersonal force. 69% of Mainline Protestants believe God is a person 25% believe God is an impersonal force (25%). 85% of Hispanic evangelical Protestants believe God is a person with whom one can have a relationship. ^

  • Black Catholics constituted 5% of the Catholic church (highly predominantly from the West at 11%, versus 4-6% elsewhere) in 2007, and 15% of evangelicals (based on denomination, and spread fairly evenly, even in the NE at 16%, but lowest in the West at 11%). http://www.pewforum.org/A-Religious-Portrait-of-African-Americans.aspx

  • Blacks constituted 13% of the electorate in 2012. http://www.resurgentrepublic.com/research/2012-the-year-changing-demographics-caught-up-with-republicans

  • 77 percent of Black Protestants said they vote Democratic, whether they attended weekly services or not. 2008 The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

  • For those in black Catholic churches, political affiliation or leaning in 2007 was 17%/74% Republican/Democrat, and 11%/76% for black evangelical churches. Opposition to homosexuality 37% by black Catholics and 58% by black evangelicals. Opposition to abortion was 35% by black Catholics and 53% by black evangelicals. 66% of black evangelicals and 36% of black Catholics say they attend services at least weekly. http://www.pewforum.org/A-Religious-Portrait-of-African-Americans.aspx

  • 22% of Asian-Americans are Protestants and 19% are Catholic (while 26% are unaffiliated, with 52% of Chinese being so). .http://www.pewforum.org/Asian-Americans-A-Mosaic-of-Faiths-overview.aspx

  • 47% of Asian-American Protestants are or lean toward the Republican party, versus 36% Democrat. Asian-American evangelicals were at 56%/28%. Asian-American Catholics were at 42%/41% (Hindu Asian-Americans 9%/72% Republican/Democrat). ^

  • 76% of Asian-American evangelical Protestants go to services at least once a week, followed by Catholics at 60%. Opposition to abortion and homosexuality is likewise higher among the former. ^


25 posted on 03/16/2015 4:55:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: kearnyirish2
BJ Clinton and Obama won Hispanic areas as well (regardless of what denomination they belonged to)

I wasn't aware that we had the Protestant Hispanic numbers for the Clinton elections, what are they?

We do have the numbers since 2000, and they are close to a 50/50 vote, unlike the consistent Catholic Hispanic vote.

26 posted on 03/16/2015 4:57:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Precisely. I see a lot of “You can’t be Catholic and pro-abortion” bumper stickers at my Parish.


27 posted on 03/16/2015 5:00:23 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: daniel1212

Blogging again?


28 posted on 03/16/2015 5:00:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

When Hispanics move in the conservatives are voted out. Just ask Bob Dornan.


29 posted on 03/16/2015 5:02:25 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Democrats boo God at Convention..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJE9YfsbNQ

30 posted on 03/16/2015 5:04:12 PM PDT by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
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To: Karl Spooner

You ignored the point, the Protestant Hispanic vote, and the Catholic Hispanic vote, are two different votes, similar to how the Catholic and Protestant vote has always been in America.


31 posted on 03/16/2015 5:07:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: SampleMan
Precisely. I see a lot of “You can’t be Catholic and pro-abortion” bumper stickers at my Parish.

To the Pope, that is not acceptable. In essence, only the Church can decide, not the peons.

32 posted on 03/16/2015 5:10:34 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: ansel12

I didn’t ignore anything. Bob Dornan lost because of the Hispanic vote.


33 posted on 03/16/2015 5:14:01 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: ansel12

“This is nonsense, Catholic is a church denomination,”

No, it is not.

“not a race,”

No one is claiming the Catholic Church is a race. Did you even read the article?

“and whites have been leaving the denomination for decades,”

People of all races have been leaving or joining the Catholic Church in America for centuries.

“while the democrats have been importing Catholics and their offspring by the tens of millions.”

You do realize that only 55% of Latinos identify as Catholics, right? http://www.pewforum.org/2014/05/07/the-shifting-religious-identity-of-latinos-in-the-united-states/


34 posted on 03/16/2015 5:19:55 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Karl Spooner

So how did Protestant Hispanics vote in that election?

In 2004 56% of Protestant Hispanics voted republican, in 2008 when Obama had everything going for him and the republicans could not win, Protestant Hispanics still voted for McCain/Palin by 48%.


35 posted on 03/16/2015 5:24:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: vladimir998

LOL, so all my points were accurate.

You have a strange way of trying to misguide people and change people’s posts.


36 posted on 03/16/2015 5:26:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: ansel12

Ask Linda Sánchez you dummy.


37 posted on 03/16/2015 5:28:29 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: ansel12

I’m basing it on where they live; did they deliver any states to the GOP column?


38 posted on 03/16/2015 5:29:04 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: NYer

Catholics in name only have proven that the liberal sacraments of abortion, free stuuf, immorality, are more important than biblical teachings. Pelosi has claimed abortion is the most sacred part of her Catholic faith. Really? I guess I missed that part in Sunday School.


39 posted on 03/16/2015 5:32:21 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: kearnyirish2

You aren’t giving any useful information in regards to the thread, we all already know about the overall Catholic vote, and the overall Hispanic vote, it is democrat.

Not everyone knows that when Hispanics become Protestant, that they also vote differently than the Catholic Hispanic.


40 posted on 03/16/2015 5:34:03 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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