Posted on 03/16/2015 4:21:19 PM PDT by NYer
The Democratic Party is facing a Catholic apocalypse, Patricia Miller warns at Salon.
Her article does a good job of marshaling statistics, but when she assesses the reasons for the apocalypse she makes a critical error.
White Catholics are now identifying as Republicans by historic margins, she says, and lists the evidence.
She cites Pew data showing that 53% of white Catholics favor the GOP, versus 39% who favor Democrats.
Catholics voted for John McCain over Barack Obama in 2008s presidential race by 5 percentage points, she says but chose Mitt Romney over Obama by 19 points four years later, she says.
The U.S. House has gone from a Catholic Democrat bastian in 2009 with 98 Catholic Democrats and 37 Catholic Republicans to having more Catholic Republicans than Catholic Democrats for the first time ever in 2015 though only barely; 69 to 68.
Between 2009 and 2014 the number of white Catholics who thought the White House was unfriendly to religious doubled from 17% to 36%, according to Pew, says Miller.
The article looks for blame for the sudden shift, and offers a few ideas. It could be the bishops who say you cant support Democrats because of abortion. It could be that left-leaning Catholics are leaving the Church, leaving only conservative Catholics in the fold. It could be that bishops (every bishop, by the way) are in her words demonizing the HHS mandate the federal mandate that says Catholic employers must violate their consciences or face crippling fines.
Last, she cites Pew data showing Catholics wanting more conservative spending and immigration policies to say it could be the Tea Party-ization of white Catholics.
She is right. It could be any of those outside influences changing the dynamic.
But the only group missing from her list of possible suspects is the most likely culprit: the Democratic Party itself.
First, on abortion, the Democratic Party has changed dramatically. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Ted Kennedy and Jesse Jackson all started out supporting the right to life. Democrats for Life powerfully make the case that liberals should be pro-life. But the partys harsh stand against the right to life has left it hemorrhaging people of conscience for a long time.
Princetons Robbie George left the party over abortion decades ago. Jo Ann Nardelli, an important Democratic organizer who had close ties to the late Gov. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania over social issues. Bishop Thomas Tobin left in 2013, giving up all hope for reform in the party.
For years, the Clintonian formula allowed Democrats to believe they wanted abortion to be safe, legal and rare. Kermit Gosnell did away with the safe part . The 2012 Democratic platform did away with the rare part. Now all that is left is the legal part.
Just last week, Democrats killed a bill against human-trafficking because it didnt pay federal money to abortion businesses. It is hard to accept a party that would do that, and many people simply wont.
But Miller misses two other key factors in Catholic defections.
First: War.
Catholics dont only care about abortion. As the Financial Times wrote in 2008, Pennsylvania swung away from the Republicans over the Iraq war.
What did Catholics get for their votes? Under Obamas watch, U.S. kill teams in Afghanistan made international headlines. The administrations violence created chaos in Libya and our premature exit from Iraq created an opening for ISIS, and the Obama administration shamefully redefined civilian to justify his own drone policy.
Catholics who voted for Obama got more abortion, less religious liberty, and more violence worldwide.
Second: Latinos.
By stressing white Catholics, the article doesnt mention that Latino Catholics are also not a cinch for the Democratic Party.
When party-switcher New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez said, Ill be damned, were Republicans she was describing a feeling others may be having. Latinos were not the shoe-in they were supposed to be for Democrats last November.
Its no wonder: Latinos are more pro-life in polls than the general population.
But one thing Miller totally gets right is that the changing dynamic heralds more changes to come.
The shift in the Catholic vote should really be a wakeup call to the Democrats, she quotes Democratic activist Steve Krueger saying. White Catholics are 18 percent of the electorate and Catholics vote 1 to 2 percentage points above their representation in the overall population. This is a significant voting bloc that now perceives Republicans as being more welcoming to people of faith.
BJ Clinton and Obama won Hispanic areas as well (regardless of what denomination they belonged to); like Catholics, they are split between the parties. If Hispanics ever sign on to voting for Dems 99% of the time, they need look no further than the current plight of blacks to see where that leads...completely taken for granted.
You are spot on.
Our problem has always required wholesale betrayal of the faith that has to occur to ever reach that liberal majority
of Catholics.
We are still thick with Pelosi types, socialists and social justice purveyors crowding out Tradition and solid teaching.
I’m doubtful but somewhat heartened to hear this liberal writer vouch think that the apostates have already left the Catholic Church, resulting in a more “conservative” (orthodox) composition of Catholics in the Church.
We will soon see.
The democrats, esp. with the current racists they have in power, need to fear losing white people in general, not just Catholics.
That isn't true at all, we all know how the Catholic vote goes, even you do, and blacks vote as a race, whether Catholic, Protestant, or atheist, or Muslim, or whatever, but their numbers are small and stable, we aren't importing millions and millions of more black voters, like we are Catholic voters.
The democrats are not counting on increasing numbers of black voters to take over more republican states, they are counting on Catholic voters to do that.
71% of Evangelicals, 35% of Protestants and 25% of Catholics said that a candidates position on abortion would have a lot of influence on their decision of who to vote for in 2012. Likewise 63% of evangelicals, 35% of Protestants and 19% of Catholics and said a candidates position on homosexual marriage would have a lot of influence on their decision. Barna, April, 2011 http://www.barna.org/transformation-articles/482-voters-most-interested-in-issues-concerning-security-and-comfort-least-interested-in-moral-issues
73% of Catholics polled say they believe Catholic politicians are under no religious obligation to vote on issues the way the bishops recommend, with 75% disapproving of denying communion to Catholics who support legal abortion, while 70% of Catholics say that the views of Catholic bishops in the US are unimportant to them in deciding for whom to vote, and 69% of say they feel no obligation to vote against candidates who support abortion. Belden Russonello & Stewart, "Secular and Security-Minded: The Catholic Vote in Summer 2008," Catholics for Choice, July 2008. http://www.catholicvote.net/page7/page22/page22.html
According to a February, 2011 Pew forum survey, 44% of white evangelical Protestants agree with the Tea Party movement, with only 8% disagreeing, while 33% of white Catholics agree and 23% disagree. Only 12% of atheists/agnostics support it with 67% opposing. http://pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx
In 2011, 70% of white evangelicals favored the GOP (up from 65% in 2004), compared with 24% who favored the Democratic Party.
By 2011 the number of mainline Protestants favoring the Republican Party had jumped by six points to 51%, and Democratic support had dropped by six points to 39%. White mainline Protestants are now 12 points more likely to express support for the GOP than for the Democratic Party.
49% white Catholics in 2008 supported for the Democratic Party and 41% identified as Republican or said they leaned toward the GOP. By 2011, the figures were reversed, 42% expressed support for Democrats and 49% for Republicans.
White evangelicals under 30 are now more heavily Republican than those over 30 (82% vs. 69%). And among white non-Hispanic Catholics under age 30, support for the GOP has increased from 41% in 2008 to 54% in 2011.
In 2011, all basic groups (all Catholic, Protestants, Mormons, Jewish, atheist/agnostic) showed increased support for Republicans.
Religiously unaffiliated voters - the fastest growing block - 61% identified with or leaned toward the Democratic Party, versus 27% for Republicans. - http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Trends-in-Party-Identification-of-Religious-Groups-affiliation.aspx
65% of Catholics supported a tax increase for the wealthiest Americans in 2006, up from 52 percent in 2002. Majorities of Catholics support issues traditionally considered planks of the Democratic Party platform: universal healthcare, pro-labor policies, access to abortion, and social welfare programs for the poor. http://cara.georgetown.edu/NewsandPress/PressReleases/pr061808.pdf
10% of Evangelical Protestants reside in the NE, 23% in the Midwest, 50% in the South, and 17% in the West. Catholics: 29% NE, 24% Midwest, 24% in the South, 23% in the West. Muslim Americans: Middle Class and Mostly Mainstream, Pew Research Center, 2007. http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons#
The population of Massachusetts ranks as the most liberal, with Boston and Cambridge being the most liberal large cities (100,000 or more), followed by California. http://www.epodunk.com/top10/liberal/index.html
The 16 most Catholic states contain 24 of the most liberal cities. Excluding (Maryland 26th), predominately Roman Catholic states contain all but one (Seattle WA) of the 30 most liberal cities. Of states in which S. Baptists are the single largest denomination none (of the 30 cities) were found. (the term liberal being defined according to individual contributions to PACs, election returns and the number of homosexual households: http://www.epodunk.com/top10/liberal/index.html http://www.glenmary.org/grc/RCMS_2000/Catholic_findings.htm , http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html.
The highest percentages of residents who describe themselves as Christian are typically in the South, including: Shreveport, LA (98%), Birmingham (96%), Charlotte (96%), Nashville (95%), Greenville, SC / Asheville, NC (94%), New Orleans (94%), Indianapolis (93%), Lexington (93%), Roanoke-Lynchburg (93%), Little Rock (92%), and Memphis (92%). http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/435-diversity-of-faith-in-various-us-cities
73% of the populations of Charlotte and Shreveport held scripture in high regard, versus only 27% of the residents of Providence, Rhode Island [the most Catholic state] and San Francisco [the most homosexual large city]. ^
The lowest percentages of self-identified Christians inhabited the following markets: San Francisco (68%), Portland, Oregon (71%), Portland, Maine (72%), Seattle (73%), Sacramento (73%), New York (73%), San Diego (75%), Los Angeles (75%), Boston (76%), Phoenix (78%), Miami (78%), Las Vegas (78%), and Denver (78%). Even in these cities, however, roughly three out of every four residents align with Christianity. ^
The highest percentage of souls who tended toward being atheist or agnostic were in Portland, Maine (19%), Seattle (19%), Portland, Oregon (16%), Sacramento (16%), and Spokane (16%)
Commitment to evangelism (agree strongly that a person has a responsibility to share their beliefs with others) saw the greatest percentage of endorsement by residents of Birmingham (64%) and Charlotte (54%), in contrast to residents of Providence (14%) and Boston (17%).
I wasn't aware that we had the Protestant Hispanic numbers for the Clinton elections, what are they?
We do have the numbers since 2000, and they are close to a 50/50 vote, unlike the consistent Catholic Hispanic vote.
Precisely. I see a lot of “You can’t be Catholic and pro-abortion” bumper stickers at my Parish.
Blogging again?
When Hispanics move in the conservatives are voted out. Just ask Bob Dornan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJE9YfsbNQ
You ignored the point, the Protestant Hispanic vote, and the Catholic Hispanic vote, are two different votes, similar to how the Catholic and Protestant vote has always been in America.
To the Pope, that is not acceptable. In essence, only the Church can decide, not the peons.
I didn’t ignore anything. Bob Dornan lost because of the Hispanic vote.
“This is nonsense, Catholic is a church denomination,”
No, it is not.
“not a race,”
No one is claiming the Catholic Church is a race. Did you even read the article?
“and whites have been leaving the denomination for decades,”
People of all races have been leaving or joining the Catholic Church in America for centuries.
“while the democrats have been importing Catholics and their offspring by the tens of millions.”
You do realize that only 55% of Latinos identify as Catholics, right? http://www.pewforum.org/2014/05/07/the-shifting-religious-identity-of-latinos-in-the-united-states/
So how did Protestant Hispanics vote in that election?
In 2004 56% of Protestant Hispanics voted republican, in 2008 when Obama had everything going for him and the republicans could not win, Protestant Hispanics still voted for McCain/Palin by 48%.
LOL, so all my points were accurate.
You have a strange way of trying to misguide people and change people’s posts.
Ask Linda Sánchez you dummy.
I’m basing it on where they live; did they deliver any states to the GOP column?
Catholics in name only have proven that the liberal sacraments of abortion, free stuuf, immorality, are more important than biblical teachings. Pelosi has claimed abortion is the most sacred part of her Catholic faith. Really? I guess I missed that part in Sunday School.
You aren’t giving any useful information in regards to the thread, we all already know about the overall Catholic vote, and the overall Hispanic vote, it is democrat.
Not everyone knows that when Hispanics become Protestant, that they also vote differently than the Catholic Hispanic.
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