“IC XC”
Posted on 02/25/2015 12:21:11 AM PST by walkinginthedesert
No, we don’t become our own salvation. I’ve been to all kinds of churches, including quite a few Pentecostal ones, and have never heard that in any one of them. Naming a simple uplifting of hands and assuming that holding hands is some sort of rejection of salvation as coming from God, what’s next in the minutiae of ritualism?
The Novus Ordo liturgy and other changes inspired by Vatican II are demonic in origin.
I was in the Communion line at a very hoity-toity Latin Mass once when a guy in front of me reaches out his hand and whacks they kid in front of him because he didn't apppend himself to the far end of the kneeling line...
Idiotic and stupid. Stay away from me.
During the Sign of Peace as well.
Mass is supposed to be very reflective....looking inward at your sins, at your worship of the Lord....silent prayer....
I remember when I was a kid my mother would come back from communion and kneel with her hands over her face, saying silent prayers to herself...we all followed her example....
now, we're supposed to stand until everybody gets thru the communion line....where is the time for a personal prayer of thanksgiving and adoration?...its like we're not supposed to have a relationship with the Lord, and that its more important to be this big bland group.....
We all do that now at Latin Mass in Kennewick (after receiving Communion on the tongue) -- I can't imagine it being any other way. Had no idea any Catholic did anything differently.
You used the phrase "supposed to" I think twice in your comment. I don't recognize any "supposed to" subsequent to 1962 unless it's consistent with antecedents.
Both practices are symptomatic of the highly feminized Mass of the Novus Order Missal. Does anybody wonder at the shortage of priests?
Good grief, let’s stop bashing each other, we are into Holy Lent!
Except that the “Novus Ordo” implicitly prohibits them. Maybe the problem isn’t the Novus Ordo, but the poorly catechized people in the pews (and, often enough, the poorly trained man at the altar).
Without hopefully being accused of bashing, I would like to point out that the new rite was supposedly designed for (and to produce) mature Catholics who knew their faith. We all know the statistics of pre-VatII Catholicism, we are supposed to be in the "new springtime".
The new rituals were designed to produce more priests and religious along with a better educated laity, that has not proved to be the case. Yet we're still merely tweaking things as if that's all that's needed to end the frost of winter. A winter that for some reason or another coincided with the introduction of the reformed liturgy. I know correlation is not causation but the circumstantial evidence is pretty dire.
Outright lie.
IF the author wants to talk about Catholic rituals, and the way they should properly be performed that is all well and good. But he should not be running down other Christian forms of worship.
Pentecostals believe there is no salvation apart from the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Nothing we do can ever make us perfect enough to attain heaven. Only Jesus can give it to us.
Loving correction. And yet we sin sometimes in delivering it without thinking it through.
Nothing wrong with learning the why and why not of Mass - that’s how we learn to love even ever more about it and our relationship with Jesus.
Praised Be Jesus Christ!
Well, I used to think Mass was for me to recharge my batteries, so leave me alone....but it is for us to recharge OUR batteries as a community, a celebration of the Eucharist, so we must be loving and inclusive “Our Father” as opposed to “My Father” and the “we” parts of the Mass versus of course your own “I” creed promises.
That doesn’t mean of course we hold hands but focus on Christ, together beside one another.
Sucks to stand up dafter the Lamb of God and for you I seee after Communion....my bishop requested it...so I submit in obedience to His Church as Christ asked us....but I bow my head a moment as that wasn’t specified!!!! My bishop needs his due support.
Once again: hand gestures = tip of the iceberg
Which got me to thinking: Why isn't this being done today in the front of the seasonal missals found in every church? IMO, these people are holding hands during the Our Father, raiding them at the Doxology, and mimicking the orans Because they just don't know any better. (Sad to say, neither do a lot of priests, but that's another story.)
**Many Catholics might not know that the use of the Orans position at Mass is solely to be used by the priest alone. The main reason is that the use of the Orans position during Mass is exclusively a priestly gesture. The Rubrics for the Mass only give the priest the sole authority of praying with elevated hands (Orans Position). Neither the deacon nor the Catholic laity are given this liturgical role since it is once again a priestly gesture.**
Truth.
Good of you to put this up to remind (or school) people. Many parishioners do not receive this direction from their priests, so they just don’t know any better. At one of the daily Mass parishes we go to, some of the fifty of so people who regularly attend actually move out of their pews to gather with all the others to hold hands. Reminds me of a children’s game. Some people are even turned sideways (to the altar), etc.
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