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A Trap Set for Catholic Conservatives
Crisis Magazine ^ | February 13, 2015 | AUSTIN RUSE

Posted on 02/13/2015 4:18:44 AM PST by NYer

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Austin Ruse is president of C-FAM (Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute), a New York and Washington DC-based research institute focusing on international legal and social policy. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of C-FAM.
1 posted on 02/13/2015 4:18:44 AM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/13/2015 4:19:08 AM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

I suggest that Catholics who support King Putt are not Catholics at all.


3 posted on 02/13/2015 4:20:24 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: NYer

Everyone is free to be as charitable as they wish - with THEIR money.

However, it is immoral for them to demand the ability to use the power of the government to be charitable with MY money.

Why is that so hard for so many “charitable” people to understand?


4 posted on 02/13/2015 4:37:22 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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The organization “Bread for the Poor” is NOT to be confused with “FOOD for the Poor”, a bonafide charity.


5 posted on 02/13/2015 4:58:04 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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I am not a Catholic. I was raised Catholic however and still remember enough to make the following statements:

1. To be Catholic you MUST be a Christian. This should be obvious to anyone who knows anything about Christianity and Catholicism. A Christian is a follower of Christ. The Catholic church was founded to follow Christ. While we Protestants (Pentecostal in my case) may disagree with some of the details and practices, the bottom line is that a real Catholic must be a Christian.

2. You cannot be a Christian and be a democrat. Again this should be obvious to anyone who knows Christ and who has read the democrats’ platform (or even observed their words and actions over the last 40 years or so). Christ is pro-life (Does “Thou shalt not murder” sound familiar?) while the democrats are pro-abortion. Christ is pro-family while the democrats are pro-homosexuality (which Christ call “abomination”). Christ is pro-freedom while the democrats are pro-government imposed subtle slavery. The list goes on and on. So many things that the bible tells us to do are banned by the democrats and so many things the bible tells us not to do are commanded by the democrats.

3. Therefore there are no Catholic Democrats. Those who claim to be both Catholic and democrat are either lying about being Catholic or lying about being democrat. And since the democrats are the party of liars, we can see that there are no Catholic democrats.

4. (bonus point) The entire “social justice” line of theology is anti-Christian. Yes, we are to provide for the widows and the orphans. But that is on an individual basis. No where in scripture does it give anyone authority to take from one person just to give to another. Any “Catholic” promoting social justice, is not a true Catholic (as they are not a Christian).


6 posted on 02/13/2015 5:03:18 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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I would argue that my donations to feed, clothe, and house the needy (with my name never being associated with the donation) is one way of acting out the promises I made at baptism, to follow Christ’s teachings. “Donations” made at the muzzle of a gun are merely theft by Left-leaning people (regardless of political affiliation) who would balk mightily at the idea of coughing up their own cash.


7 posted on 02/13/2015 5:03:34 AM PST by Pecos (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.)
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To: ought-six
"Influential Catholics—many of them supporters of Barack Obama—are advancing a proposition that may have the result of sullying the reputations of Catholic conservatives and those Catholics arguing for a robust market economy."

I suggest that Catholics who support King Putt are not Catholics at all.

I was going to post "In before someone claims They're Not Really Catholic", but then I saw that I was too late.

8 posted on 02/13/2015 5:05:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: WayneS

It is also immoral to corrupt people’s minds and souls by making welfare into an amoral way of life rather than temporary help during a difficult time. Never forget that “caring” liberals put black on welfare reservations in the cities and called it public housing. It was conservatives who tore down those hell holes and moved to a housing voucher assistance model of living for the homeless/helpless/able bodied bloodsuckers.

But I agree that being a social and economic conservative is not the same as being a libertarian. I believe the amoral and even anti-moral agenda within libertarianism is as detrimental to a free society as is the social ideology of socialism or liberalism.

Constitutional freedom can not exist in a society where people are morally ignorant and lack the understanding and self discipline to do the right thing on their own. A society against human life is one that is barbaric. Our constitution was not anti-life (beginning, middle nor the end). It’s dependent on a culture that is good and ethical(Western).


9 posted on 02/13/2015 5:21:26 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: John O

“Catholic Democrat” is an oxymoron. You can’t be Catholic or Christian and be a member of th4e part of death. Remember the so-called pro-life Democrats who folded like a cheap tent and voted for Obamacare? Case closed.


10 posted on 02/13/2015 5:31:00 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: NYer
I think the response should be couched sorta like this: Charity is only charity if it is willingly given and isn't forced upon someone. Forced giving whether through pastoral coercion or governmental taxation is not charity.
11 posted on 02/13/2015 5:35:11 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Pecos

Exactly.


12 posted on 02/13/2015 5:38:18 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: NotTallTex
The teachings and beliefs of the various Christian churches and denominations are generally well documented, well known, and well publicized. It is, or should be, fairly easy even for an outsider to compare a particular individuals actions and stated beliefs against the published teachings and beliefs of the church or denomination which that individual claims, and determine whether or not that individual is telling the truth.

Hillary Clinton, for example, purports to be Methodist.

She supports sodomy, sodomitic unions, abortion, and socialism. For example.

The UMC asserts, however: Although all persons are sexual beings whether or not they are married, sexual relations are affirmed only with the covenant of monogamous, heterosexual marriage. It would seem that Mizzz Clinton is lying; her beliefs do not correspond to those of the United Methodist Church. (This may be the ONLY point of belief on which she disagrees with the UMC ...)

13 posted on 02/13/2015 5:48:24 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: NotTallTex

Right.


14 posted on 02/13/2015 6:30:57 AM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: John O

The Dem Catholics claim the same thing about the Republican Catholics.

Since you don’t support the poor and the welfare state, you are not Christians.


15 posted on 02/13/2015 6:46:15 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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The church leaders who back socialism are making a deadly error.

Socialism is, in effect, a parody of Christianity, but one stripped of God. And while what socialists preach sounds much like what Christians preach, it is done with evil motive, and to honor man, not God.

Socialists are always filled to the brim with “social justice”, but they only deliver injustice, dehumanization and subjugation. Yet their words sound so very much like those of Christians, that Christians are often fooled into thinking that “the ends justify the means”, not realizing that those ends are the opposite of what Christianity wants.


16 posted on 02/13/2015 6:57:54 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: John O

**I am not a Catholic. I was raised Catholic however and still remember enough to make the following statements:**

Yes, you are a baptized Catholic — maybe even a confirmed one. The Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation leave an indelible mark on your soul that identify you as a Catholic.

You may be an inactive one at the present, but nevertheless, you are a Catholic.


17 posted on 02/13/2015 7:10:12 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Almost immediately 50 professors wrote a letter to CUA president John Garvey and Andrew Abela suggesting that a grant was inappropriate in light of Catholic Social Teaching.

But when "Catholic" institutions endorse baby-killing and sexual perversion, that's A-OK. <spits/>

18 posted on 02/13/2015 7:11:55 AM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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In the fight against abortion, same-sex marriage, and pornography, libertarianism is the enemy

This is why the less Acton institute identifies with movement libertarianism the better.

libertarianism is a bit like socialism in that many people who claim it probably don’t know what it means

That is because libertarianism is an "contra" movement, not "pro" movement. It wants less government. It does not say what it wants more of.

19 posted on 02/13/2015 7:54:12 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: redgolum
Since you don’t support the poor and the welfare state, you are not Christians.

But I do support the poor. It's called free will offerings (charity).

The welfare state does not support the poor. It enslaves them.

So we have further proof that there are no democrat Catholics. :)

20 posted on 02/13/2015 8:05:38 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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