The Eucharist: Is the Real Presence Biblical?

Edward Sri via CERC ^ | December 28, 2014 | EDWARD SRI

[papertyger]

And actually, eternal means no beginning nor ending...So for your religion to say that Jesus' sacrifice is eternal, you are saying Jesus's sacrifice didn't start 2000 years ago, Jesus has been being sacrificed on the Cross since before the Creation...Don't you people even think about the legitimacy of this stuff???

Misunderstanding the meaning of "eternity" on your part does not indicate duplicity on our part.

You have made the common mistake of assuming "eternity" looks like a timeline that goes to infinity in both directions: that is incorrect.

"Eternity" stands outside that timeline completely with the concept of sequential events collapsing completely.

[papertyger]

No one left after Jesus told them to eat his flesh...

Again you err because of your assumptions. You assume "Apostle" is the same as "disciple." Jesus had many more "disciples" than "the twelve."

The Scripture clearly states in verse 67 many disciples left at that point.

[papertyger]

So, without any private opinion, without any private interpretation, any idiot can see they did not leave when Jesus said to 'eat my flesh'...

Clintonian parsing facilitated by cognitive dissonance does not constitute an "objective reading." That it can is the only idiocy going on here.

[Cronos]

Cronos: Now, this might be difficult for believers in so-called Tawahid to believe that God became man, but it is true.

Iscool: That obviously is what you guys are hoping, so the sham won't be revealed......

[Cronos]

Iscool: So Jesus' suffering was once in time but he's still hanging on the Cross with spikes thru his hands, a spear hole in his side, and dies...But he's not suffering...Does he lift up his head, wink and smile at you guys???

Maybe it is difficult for non-Christians to understand a God who suffered for us and who died, was buried and rose again, a Living God. I would suggest ignoring the Surahs and read the Bible.

[Cronos]

Iscool: What a tale your religion has woven...Who would believe it???

Maybe it is difficult for non-Christians to understand a God who suffered for us and who died, was buried and rose again, a Living God. I would suggest ignoring the Surahs and read the Bible.

[Iscool]

Again you err because of your assumptions. You assume "Apostle" is the same as "disciple." Jesus had many more "disciples" than "the twelve."

The Scripture clearly states in verse 67 many disciples left at that point.

Actually it was verse 66...

And it was verse 56 where they were instructed to eat Jesus' flesh...They did not leave after verse 56...Many things were said by Jesus between 56 and 67, when they actually left...

Your deniability is astounding...All you have to do is read it...

[Iscool]

Misunderstanding the meaning of "eternity" on your part does not indicate duplicity on our part.
You have made the common mistake of assuming "eternity" looks like a timeline that goes to infinity in both directions: that is incorrect.
"Eternity" stands outside that timeline completely with the concept of sequential events collapsing completely.

So there is no past nor future...Everything is happening right now...The Creation is right now...Me or you being in heaven is happening right now...The Red Sea is opening right now...We haven't even been created yet, right now...

Jesus is being born today, right now...

I guess you have to be a student of Plato or one of them real thinkers to get that one...

Curious thing tho...God put 'was' in the bible 3638 times...And he said shall be/will be 2161 times...Why didn't God just use is, am, and are in the scriptures...???

I don't buy your theory...

[Iscool]

You can’t make up your own facts.

Hey, I don't mind posting the facts AGAIN...

Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Jesus said 'eat my flesh' in verse 56...No one left until verse 66...You want to deny that again??? Go ahead and look stupid, not my problem...

[ADSUM]

So everything goes by your opinion and your facts that they left because the sentence is 10 lines later. Wow you are brillant.

Jesus still said “This is “MY Body” and This is “MY Blood”
Eat and Drink it for your salvation.

You believe what you want, but many left because they didn't believe these words, just like many non Catholics don't believe them today.

May God be Merciful to you as you seem to reject Him and His Word.

[papertyger]

Your deniability is astounding...All you have to do is read it...

Aren't you the one that claimed nobody left?

[papertyger]

I don't buy your theory...

Its not a theory: it's physics. "Time" is a physical property. It is directly related to mass and acceleration.

That you have made, and continue to make, unjustified assumptions regarding the natures of time and eternity, assumptions that would prove dispositive to your theological assertions, is not my problem: it's yours. Not the least of which is because I just told you which constitutes a witness.

You'll have to answer for discounting it, not me.

[Iscool]

You believe what you want, but many left because they didn't believe these words, just like many non Catholics don't believe them today.

You can't show where a single person left because of those words...

So everything goes by your opinion and your facts that they left because the sentence is 10 lines later. Wow you are brillant.

Well genius, going the way of your perversion of scripture you could just as easily say, 'Jesus was born in a manger and was beat almost lifeless and they hung him on a cross'...It's the same principle you use on clueless Catholics...

All you have to do is ignore a few lines of scripture in between those truths...

[Iscool]

Its not a theory: it's physics. "Time" is a physical property. It is directly related to mass and acceleration.

Really...How about you get some time, put it in a box and send it to me...

1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

[ADSUM]

If you read it in context and have a little common sense, and listen to the experts and the sacred tradition, then you may be able to intrepet it correctly.

Your opinion, I presume to support your non Catholic theory is such a foul ball is not even in the ballpark.

Your last comments sounds personal almost venomous. However, you continue to reject the exact words of Jesus. I really hope the Holy Spirit can give you God’s meaning.

I really want to understand the Truth and I hope you want to also understand the Truth.

[Iscool]

If you read it in context and have a little common sense, and listen to the experts and the sacred tradition, then you may be able to intrepet it correctly.

So I need a little humanist philosophical wisdom, some so-called Catholic experts and the traditions of men, I can get it eh???

So let's see...I have the words of God in one hand, and in the other I have the words of fallen men on your pagan religion...Sorry but that one's too easy for me...

Your opinion, I presume to support your non Catholic theory is such a foul ball is not even in the ballpark.

Opinion??? I posted the scripture...And if you can read a newspaper, you can surely read the scriptures...

I really want to understand the Truth

You'll never understand the truth til you first decide to believe it...I posted the truth of the scriptures to you...If you choose not to believe the scriptures you'll continue to be just as blind as a bat coming in backwards...

[papertyger]

How about you stop quoting Scripture to hide your ignorance of that to which Scripture refers.

[ADSUM]

I hope you want to also understand the Truth.

A lost cause. You can keep repeating your opinion and your blasts at the Catholic Church, but you haven’t done anything except express your personal incorrect biased opinion. You can quote the Bible and still not understand the meaning of the words.

By the way, I have bats on my property and they eat very well and eliminate most of the mosquitoes. What did Jesus say about the blind?

[Iscool]

You can quote the Bible and still not understand the meaning of the words.

We all understand that your religion has convinced you guys that YOU can't understand the words of scripture and that no one besides 'them' can understand the scriptures...And that just amazes me...If you can understand what I'm writing, you can understand the scriptures...And I can understand the scriptures and so can everyone else...

Eph_3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Can you understand that verse??? I certainly can...

[coincheck]

So, are you implying that my theology is “shallow”? If so, how?

No, you and I both know that he books of the bible did not just “fall from the sky”. I am well aware of how we got the bible we have today, I am not uneducated in this area of study.

The problem of the catholic church is that it has introduced many rituals from pagan sources over about 16-1700 years, if you would take the time to check this for your self you would see that these things draw our attention away from God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit and focus our attention on men.

I do not question your sincerity of belief. It is the doctrines and traditions of the catholic church that I question. It is those doctrines that I find no basis of support within the authority and soundness of scripture.

We do not have the apostles here anymore to tell us of what was not written in scripture, but we do have the bible, the new testament in particular that is their written testimony of what they saw and heard, that is what we have to measure all doctrine and teaching by today. So I will stand by what is recorded in the bible and that alone as I know whom its author is...God.