Posted on 02/02/2015 3:08:42 PM PST by Morgana
The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535541
Joseph Smith |
NOW I see why!
Bonehead! Try READING what you are going to post FIRST!
The recent conversation to that that post was the position of Nestorius and the Catholic religion...
As for the first part, God the Son Incarnate is indeed the 2nd person of the Trinity, being He was from before He was born -- AND -- when He was born, thus ultimately, in that sense, Mary did give birth to the One whom we otherwise accept the description, was "fully man, and fully God", with there being no divisibility of those aspects -- when He existed in the form of a man.
Somehow I connected that conversation with yours...
Yet now -- has indeed returned to where He was "before" (like -- where He was before He was born in the likeness of sinful flesh
Apparently I misunderstood your conversation...
Not the way the Catholic Church portrays it he isn't. He is addressing the ekklesia of believers. The assembly of those called out. Catholics will never understand what Christ and the apostles were talking about or who they were talking to unless they understand what the ekklesia really was.
>>The first council in Acts 15 has been discussed here many times. There was a pattern laid down.<<
No, there was not. And at that same meeting recorded in Acts 15 the statement was made that all believers had been given the Holy Spirit "just as they had" making "no distinction between us and them". Not once in all of the New Testament an assembly of those called out under any superior organizational hierarchy other than it's headship which is Christ. In Revelation Christ spoke to each of the assemblies as separate. He didn't speak to some hierarchical head "church" to straighten out each of it's subordinate branches.
>>Transferring everything committed and promised to the Church<<
There's that corrupted concept of what "ekklesia" means again.
>>Beyond puzzling over why Jesus did not tell the Apostles to write it all down<<
Actually it's beyond puzzling why people would follow an organization that doesn't follow the apostles admonition to not go beyond what is written.
>> act and believe like HE had done told them to act. and believe<<
And still Catholics follow an organization that cannot prove that what they teach is exactly what the apostles taught. So Catholics, rather than putting faith in the very apostles Jesus chose, put their faith men who claim to have "passed down" some unwritten story. That puts Catholics in the same position as Muslims and Mormons.
>>When, exactly did the common practice of the early church, as shown above, get negated?<<
It was never instituted in the first place so there was no "negating" done.
It's the same concept. Mormons have their extra Biblical beliefs and Catholics have their extra Biblical beliefs. Same could be said of Muslims.
And yet, they wrote a book...
God specifically told the O.T. prophets to write a book...
God said he would preserve his words forever...How could his words possibly be preserved had they not been written down??? If scripture was never written, can you imagine the mess we would have today with people trying to remember and recite scripture???
What seems remarkable to me is that the scripture we have today is very, very close to the scriptures that were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls...Apparently the words were preserved...
As for oral traditions that you guys claim came from the apostles but there exists no record, how would anyone know if those traditions that weren't written down have any truth to them???
Would you please stop the praying!!!
It’s called “selective learning” AKA “declaring a major”. Didn’t you know that? Only focus on those things pertaining to your chosen line of interest.
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They claim that the ‘Mary’ spirit tells them things.
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Hear!!! Hear!!!
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***Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer***
Semiramis/Ishtar, same thing!
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Check with Monica!
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No, the two "syllogisms" are NOT identical in form. You are missing an important part of speech called an "article". You left out the "a" in the second one. If you genuinely want to make these identical, then you have to word it as:
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is a carpenter.
Mary is the mother of a carpenter.
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of a God.
But that would certainly bump up against several OTHER doctrines Christians have historically held namely, there is ONLY one God existing in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Since Mary cannot be the mother of the one, uncreated, eternal God, then it is irrational to insist she is the mother of God. Mary was the mother of the incarnate Son of God. The Mother of Jesus, just as the Holy Spirit stated throughout Scripture.
PTL! So happy to hear it.
Jesus' spirit went to heaven...
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Every one's spirit goes to heaven at death...It is God who gives and takes away the spirit...
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
(Acts 7:59 KJV) And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Jesus' soul minus his spirit went to Hell...Actually it was a compartment of Hell where the O.T. saints were being held until Jesus was resurrected to heaven...This place is called Abraham's Bosom...
The O.T. saints had to go to Abraham's Bosom instead of heaven because Jesus had to descend from heaven before they could go up...Plus, Jesus had to do some preaching to them...
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
The soul of Jesus' descent into Abraham's Bosom/Hell
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
In the meantime, Jesus dead body lay in the tomb until the 3rd day...
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
St. Paul gives equal weight to the doctrines taught by word which were not written down in his epistles. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of them.
The minute you change the words, you destroy the teaching the Lord provides...
It says nothing about doctrine...
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Paul says those traditions you have been taught...NOT any oral traditions someone may teach you in the future...
And of course you won't find the word Trinity in the scriptures...However, if non Catholics could not find the Trinity in the scriptures, non Catholics would not believe in the Trinity because the Trinity wouldn't exist...The Trinity is all over the scriptures...
Apparently the Catholic religion still can't find the Trinity in the scriptures...
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