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The Protestant Achilles' Heel
catholic.com ^ | March 21, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/02/2015 3:08:42 PM PST by Morgana

According to ancient Greek legend, the great warrior, Achilles, was invulnerable against attack, except for one area of weakness—his heel. That weakness would be exploited near the end of the Trojan War by Paris. As the story goes, he shot Achilles in the heel with an arrow, killing his seemingly undefeatable foe.

Okay, so referring to Sola Scriptura as the Protestant Achilles's Heel is not a perfect analogy. There are many weak spots in Protestant theology. But the use of the image of "Achilles's Heel" in prose today is employed not only to accentuate a singular weakness in an otherwise impenetrable person or institution, but a particularly acute weakness. It is in that sense that I think the analogy fits.

Sola Scriptura was the central doctrine and foundation for all I believed when I was Protestant. On a popular level, it simply meant, “If a teaching isn’t explicit in the Bible, then we don’t accept it as doctrine!” And it seemed so simple. Unassailable. And yet, I do not recall ever hearing a detailed teaching explicating it. It was always a given. Unchallenged. Diving deeper into its meaning, especially when I was challenged to defend my Protestant faith against Catholicism, I found there to be no book specifically on the topic and no uniform understanding of this teaching among Protestant pastors.

Once I got past the superficial, I had to try to answer real questions like, what role does tradition play? How explicit does a doctrine have to be in Scripture before it can be called doctrine? How many times does it have to be mentioned in Scripture before it would be dogmatic? Where does Scripture tell us what is absolutely essential for us to believe as Christians? How do we know what the canon of Scripture is using the principle of sola scriptura? Who is authorized to write Scripture in the first place? When was the canon closed? Or, the best question of all: where is sola scriptura taught in the Bible? These questions and more were left virtually unanswered or left to the varying opinions of various Bible teachers.

The Protestant Response

In answer to this last question, “Where is sola scriptura taught in the Bible?” most Protestants will immediately respond as I did, by simply citing II Tm. 3:16:

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

“How can it get any plainer than that? Doesn’t that say the Bible is all we need?” Question answered.

The fact is: II Timothy 3—or any other text of Scripture—does not even hint at sola scriptura. It says Scripture is inspired and necessary to equip “the man of God,” but never does it say Scripture alone is all anyone needs. We’ll come back to this text in particular later. But in my experience as a Protestant, it was my attempt to defend this bedrock teaching of Protestantism that led me to conclude: sola scriptura is 1) unreasonable 2) unbiblical and 3) unworkable.

Sola Scriptura is Unreasonable

When defending sola scriptura, the Protestant will predictably appeal to his sole authority—Scripture. This is a textbook example of the logical fallacy of circular reasoning which betrays an essential problem with the doctrine itself. One cannot prove the inspiration of a text from the text itself. The Book of Mormon, the Hindu Vedas, writings of Mary Baker Eddy, the Koran, and other books claim inspiration. This does not make them inspired. One must prove the point outside of the text itself to avoid the fallacy of circular reasoning.

Thus, the question remains: how do we know the various books of the Bible are inspired and therefore canonical? And remember: the Protestant must use the principle of sola scriptura in the process.

II Tim. 3:16 is not a valid response to the question. The problems are manifold. Beyond the fact of circular reasoning, for example, I would point out the fact that this verse says all Scripture is inspired tells us nothing of what the canon consists. Just recently, I was speaking with a Protestant inquirer about this issue and he saw my point. He then said words to the effect of, “I believe the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth as Jesus said in Jn. 16:13. The Holy Spirit guided the early Christians and helped them to gather the canon of Scripture and declare it to be the inspired word of God. God would not leave us without his word to guide us.”

That answer is much more Catholic than Protestant! Yes, Jn. 16:13 does say the Spirit will lead the apostles—and by allusion, the Church—into all truth. But this verse has nothing to say about sola scriptura. Nor does it say a word about the nature or number of books in the canon. Catholics certainly agree that the Holy Spirit guided the early Christians to canonize the Scriptures because the Catholic Church teaches that there is an authoritative Church guided by the Holy Spirit. The obvious problem is my Protestant friend did not use sola scriptura as his guiding principle to arrive at his conclusion. How does, for example, Jn. 16:13 tell us that Hebrews was written by an apostolic writer and that it is inspired of God? We would ultimately have to rely on the infallibility of whoever “the Holy Spirit” is guiding to canonize the Bible so that they could not mishear what the Spirit was saying about which books of the Bible are truly inspired.

In order to put this argument of my friend into perspective, can you imagine if a Catholic made a similar claim to demonstrate, say, Mary to be the Mother of God? “We believe the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth and guided the early Christians to declare this truth.” I can almost hear the response. “Show me in the Bible where Mary is the Mother of God! I don’t want to hear about God guiding the Church!” Wouldn’t the same question remain for the Protestant concerning the canon? “Show me in the Bible where the canon of Scripture is, what the criterion for the canon is, who can and cannot write Scripture, etc.”

Will the Circle be Unbroken?

The Protestant response at this point is often an attempt to use the same argument against the Catholic. “How do you know the Scriptures are inspired? Your reasoning is just as circular because you say the Church is infallible because the inspired Scriptures say so and then say the Scriptures are inspired and infallible because the Church says so!”

The Catholic Church’s position on inspiration is not circular. We do not say “the Church is infallible because the inspired Scriptures say so, and the Scriptures are inspired because the infallible Church says so.” That would be a kind of circular reasoning. The Church was established historically and functioned as the infallible spokesperson for the Lord decades before the New Testament was written. The Church is infallible because Jesus said so.

Having said that, it is true that we know the Scriptures to be inspired because the Church has told us so. That is also an historical fact. However, this is not circular reasoning. When the Catholic approaches Scripture, he or she begins with the Bible as an historical document, not as inspired. As any reputable historian will tell you, the New Testament is the most accurate and verifiable historical document in all of ancient history. To deny the substance of the historical documents recorded therein would be absurd. However, one cannot deduce from this that they are inspired. There are many accurate historical documents that are not inspired. However, the Scriptures do give us accurate historical information whether one holds to their inspiration or not. Further, this testimony of the Bible is backed up by hundreds of works by early Christians and non-Christian writers like Suetonius, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus, and more. It is on this basis that we can say it is an historical fact that Jesus lived, died, and was reported to be resurrected from the dead by over 500 eyewitnesses. Many of these eyewitnesses went to their deaths testifying to the veracity of the Christ-event (see Lk. 1:1-4, Jn. 21:18-19, 24-25, Acts 1:1-11, I Cr. 15:1-8).

Now, what do we find when we examine the historical record? Jesus Christ—as a matter of history–established a Church, not a book, to be the foundation of the Christian Faith (see Mt. 16:15-18; 18:15-18. Cf. Eph. 2:20; 3:10,20-21; 4:11-15; I Tm. 3:15; Hb. 13:7,17, etc.). He said of his Church, “He who hears you hears me and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me” (Lk. 10:16). The many books that comprise what we call the Bible never tell us crucial truths such as the fact that they are inspired, who can and cannot be the human authors of them, who authored them at all, or, as I said before, what the canon of Scripture is in the first place. And this is just to name a few examples. What is very clear historically is that Jesus established a kingdom with a hierarchy and authority to speak for him (see Lk. 20:29-32, Mt. 10:40, 28:18-20). It was members of this Kingdom—the Church—that would write the Scripture, preserve its many texts and eventually canonize it. The Scriptures cannot write or canonize themselves. To put it simply, reason clearly rejects sola scriptura as a self-refuting principle because one cannot determine what the “scriptura” is using the principle of sola scriptura.

Sola Scriptura is Unbiblical

Let us now consider the most common text used by Protestants to “prove” sola scriptura, II Tm. 3:16, which I quoted above:

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

The problem with using this text as such is threefold: 1. Strictly speaking, it does not speak of the New Testament at all. 2. It does not claim Scripture to be the sole rule of faith for Christians. 3. The Bible teaches oral Tradition to be on a par with and just as necessary as the written Tradition, or Scripture.

1. What’s Old is Not New

Let us examine the context of the passage by reading the two preceding verses:

But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood (italics added) you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

In context, this passage does not refer to the New Testament at all. None of the New Testament books had been written when St. Timothy was a child! To claim this verse in order to authenticate a book, say, the book of Revelation, when it had most likely not even been written yet, is more than a stretch. That is going far beyond what the text actually claims.

2. The Trouble With Sola

As a Protestant, I was guilty of seeing more than one sola in Scripture that simply did not exist. The Bible clearly teaches justification by faith. And we Catholics believe it. However, we do not believe in justification by faith alone because, among many other reasons, the Bible says, we are “justified by works and not by faith alone” (James 2:24, emphasis added). Analogously, when the Bible says Scripture is inspired and profitable for “the man of God,” to be “equipped for every good work,” we Catholics believe it. However, the text of II Tim. 3:16 never says Scripture alone. There is no sola to be found here either! Even if we granted II Tm. 3:16 was talking about all of Scripture, it never claims Scripture to be the sole rule of faith. A rule of faith, to be sure! But not the sole rule of faith.

James 1:4 illustrates clearly the problem with Protestant exegesis of II Tim. 3:16:

And let steadfastness (patience) have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

If we apply the same principle of exegesis to this text that the Protestant does to II Tm. 3:16 we would have to say that all we need is patience to be perfected. We don’t need faith, hope, charity, the Church, baptism, etc.

Of course, any Christian would immediately say this is absurd. And of course it is. But James’s emphasis on the central importance of patience is even stronger than St. Paul’s emphasis on Scripture. The key is to see that there is not a sola to be found in either text. Sola patientia would be just as much an error as is sola scriptura.

3. The Tradition of God is the Word of God

Not only is the Bible silent when it comes to sola scriptura, but Scripture is remarkably plain in teaching oral Tradition to be just as much the word of God as is Scripture. In what most scholars believe was the first book written in the New Testament, St. Paul said:

And we also thank God… that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God… (I Thess. 2:13)

II Thess. 2:15 adds:

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions you have been taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

According to St. Paul, the spoken word from the apostles was just as much the word of God as was the later written word.

Sola Scriptura is Unworkable

When it comes to the tradition of Protestantism—sola scriptura—the silence of the text of Scripture is deafening. When it comes to the true authority of Scripture and Tradition, the Scriptures are clear. And when it comes to the teaching and governing authority of the Church, the biblical text is equally as clear:

If your brother sins against you go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone … But if he does not listen, take one or two others with you … If he refuses to listen … tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Mt. 18:15-17)

According to Scripture, the Church—not the Bible alone—is the final court of appeal for the people of God in matters of faith and discipline. But isn’t it also telling that since the Reformation of just ca. 480 years ago—a reformation claiming sola scriptura as its formal principle—there are now over 33,000 denominations that have derived from it?

For 1,500 years, Christianity saw just a few enduring schisms (the Monophysites, Nestorians, the Orthodox, and a very few others). Now in just 480 years we have this? I hardly think that when Jesus prophesied there would be “one shepherd and one fold” in Jn. 10:16, this is what he had in mind. It seems quite clear to me that not only is sola scriptura unreasonable and unbiblical, but it is unworkable. The proof is in the puddin’!

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To: Elsie; IWONDR; teppe; Normandy
I have absolutely NO clue as to why THIS is not Scripture #5; either!!!


Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 

261 posted on 02/04/2015 10:54:53 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

NOW I see why!















Bonehead! Try READING what you are going to post FIRST!






















262 posted on 02/04/2015 10:58:50 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueDragon
I'm not at all following what you mean, for I cannot see how without importing into the conversation something which I did not knowingly say, how what I did say could lead to a conclusion which results in Jesus not dying at His crucifixion --- on the cross.

The recent conversation to that that post was the position of Nestorius and the Catholic religion...

As for the first part, God the Son Incarnate is indeed the 2nd person of the Trinity, being He was from before He was born -- AND -- when He was born, thus ultimately, in that sense, Mary did give birth to the One whom we otherwise accept the description, was "fully man, and fully God", with there being no divisibility of those aspects -- when He existed in the form of a man.

Somehow I connected that conversation with yours...

Yet now -- has indeed returned to where He was "before" (like -- where He was before He was born in the likeness of sinful flesh

Apparently I misunderstood your conversation...

263 posted on 02/04/2015 11:07:24 AM PST by Iscool
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To: don-o
>>Paul's epistles are addressed to churches.<<

Not the way the Catholic Church portrays it he isn't. He is addressing the ekklesia of believers. The assembly of those called out. Catholics will never understand what Christ and the apostles were talking about or who they were talking to unless they understand what the ekklesia really was.

>>The first council in Acts 15 has been discussed here many times. There was a pattern laid down.<<

No, there was not. And at that same meeting recorded in Acts 15 the statement was made that all believers had been given the Holy Spirit "just as they had" making "no distinction between us and them". Not once in all of the New Testament an assembly of those called out under any superior organizational hierarchy other than it's headship which is Christ. In Revelation Christ spoke to each of the assemblies as separate. He didn't speak to some hierarchical head "church" to straighten out each of it's subordinate branches.

>>Transferring everything committed and promised to the Church<<

There's that corrupted concept of what "ekklesia" means again.

>>Beyond puzzling over why Jesus did not tell the Apostles to write it all down<<

Actually it's beyond puzzling why people would follow an organization that doesn't follow the apostles admonition to not go beyond what is written.

>> act and believe like HE had done told them to act. and believe<<

And still Catholics follow an organization that cannot prove that what they teach is exactly what the apostles taught. So Catholics, rather than putting faith in the very apostles Jesus chose, put their faith men who claim to have "passed down" some unwritten story. That puts Catholics in the same position as Muslims and Mormons.

>>When, exactly did the common practice of the early church, as shown above, get negated?<<

It was never instituted in the first place so there was no "negating" done.

264 posted on 02/04/2015 11:10:33 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: nanetteclaret; Elsie
>>When did the argument shift from what Catholics believe to what Mormons believe?<<

It's the same concept. Mormons have their extra Biblical beliefs and Catholics have their extra Biblical beliefs. Same could be said of Muslims.

265 posted on 02/04/2015 11:15:04 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: don-o
My own beliefs began to change when I allowed that the Lord Jesus actually knew what He was talking about when He said that the Holy Spirit would lead to all truth. It intrigued me that He did not advise the Apostles to take good notes and write a Book.

And yet, they wrote a book...

God specifically told the O.T. prophets to write a book...

God said he would preserve his words forever...How could his words possibly be preserved had they not been written down??? If scripture was never written, can you imagine the mess we would have today with people trying to remember and recite scripture???

What seems remarkable to me is that the scripture we have today is very, very close to the scriptures that were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls...Apparently the words were preserved...

As for oral traditions that you guys claim came from the apostles but there exists no record, how would anyone know if those traditions that weren't written down have any truth to them???

266 posted on 02/04/2015 11:20:49 AM PST by Iscool
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To: daniel1212
Well, i prayed for snow if it be the Lord’s will, cause we really had none - and now it is evident that God is able to do exceedingly abundantly more than we ask or imagine.

Would you please stop the praying!!!

267 posted on 02/04/2015 11:22:44 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Elsie

It’s called “selective learning” AKA “declaring a major”. Didn’t you know that? Only focus on those things pertaining to your chosen line of interest.


268 posted on 02/04/2015 11:29:44 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie

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They claim that the ‘Mary’ spirit tells them things.

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269 posted on 02/04/2015 12:45:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Gamecock; Springfield Reformer

270 posted on 02/04/2015 12:56:20 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Iscool; daniel1212

Hear!!! Hear!!!


271 posted on 02/04/2015 12:59:54 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: nanetteclaret; Springfield Reformer

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***Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer***

Semiramis/Ishtar, same thing!
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272 posted on 02/04/2015 1:03:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Elsie

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Check with Monica!

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273 posted on 02/04/2015 1:06:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is a carpenter.
Mary is the mother of a carpenter.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of God.

The two syllogisms above are identical in form. They are both valid.

This is another way of saying that refusing to call Mary “the mother of God” is totally irrational—unless one is NOT a Christian.

No, the two "syllogisms" are NOT identical in form. You are missing an important part of speech called an "article". You left out the "a" in the second one. If you genuinely want to make these identical, then you have to word it as:

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is a carpenter.
Mary is the mother of a carpenter.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of a God.

But that would certainly bump up against several OTHER doctrines Christians have historically held namely, there is ONLY one God existing in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Since Mary cannot be the mother of the one, uncreated, eternal God, then it is irrational to insist she is the mother of God. Mary was the mother of the incarnate Son of God. The Mother of Jesus, just as the Holy Spirit stated throughout Scripture.

274 posted on 02/04/2015 1:34:39 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: don-o

PTL! So happy to hear it.


275 posted on 02/04/2015 2:43:31 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: nanetteclaret
I picked out a few verses which seem to be easily understandable to me...

Jesus' spirit went to heaven...

Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Every one's spirit goes to heaven at death...It is God who gives and takes away the spirit...

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

(Acts 7:59 KJV) And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Jesus' soul minus his spirit went to Hell...Actually it was a compartment of Hell where the O.T. saints were being held until Jesus was resurrected to heaven...This place is called Abraham's Bosom...

The O.T. saints had to go to Abraham's Bosom instead of heaven because Jesus had to descend from heaven before they could go up...Plus, Jesus had to do some preaching to them...

Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The soul of Jesus' descent into Abraham's Bosom/Hell

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

In the meantime, Jesus dead body lay in the tomb until the 3rd day...

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

276 posted on 02/04/2015 3:13:43 PM PST by Iscool
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To: nanetteclaret
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, WHETHER BY WORD, **or** by our epistle.” II Thess. 2:14

St. Paul gives equal weight to the doctrines taught “by word” which were not written down in his epistles. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of them.

The minute you change the words, you destroy the teaching the Lord provides...

It says nothing about doctrine...

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Paul says those traditions you have been taught...NOT any oral traditions someone may teach you in the future...

And of course you won't find the word Trinity in the scriptures...However, if non Catholics could not find the Trinity in the scriptures, non Catholics would not believe in the Trinity because the Trinity wouldn't exist...The Trinity is all over the scriptures...

Apparently the Catholic religion still can't find the Trinity in the scriptures...

277 posted on 02/04/2015 3:58:57 PM PST by Iscool
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Eisogesis: When you start with an idea and attempt to find it in Scripture.

Failure: When you can’t find your idea taught in Scripture and make it up out of whole cloth.


The accusation of eisegesis can go both ways and starts because the accuser believes himself to be infallible. However, you have not provided an argument as to why the reasoning is false.
278 posted on 02/04/2015 7:34:44 PM PST by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: metmom
Then there must have been more than one Eve replacement because Jesus addressed other women as *Woman*.

Thank you.
279 posted on 02/04/2015 7:35:39 PM PST by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: CynicalBear
As Christ ridiculed the Pharisees for corrupting the laws so we ridicule the Catholic Church for corrupting scripture.

The difference between you and Christ is that Christ was infallible, you are not.

In Psalm 40:8 we find that the law was within Christ's heart.

We also find that the words spoken by Jesus to his mother were kept in her heart (Lk 2:51). Jesus came to fulfill the law. The law was contained in the Ark as Jesus was contained in Mary. When Mary goes to visit Elizabeth, it is her voice that announces the presence of Jesus to John the Baptist.
280 posted on 02/04/2015 7:47:39 PM PST by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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