Posted on 02/02/2015 3:08:42 PM PST by Morgana
As in "going beyond what is written".
Then why deny that that same Holy Spirit was given to EVERY believer?
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
It's not just some hierarchical "magisterium" that has the ability to understand what scripture teaches.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
As a matter of fact we should check with scripture to see if what they teach is truth.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
If Paul commended them for checking even his teaching how much more so some "magisterium"? Yet you take the word of some "ecumenical council" without checking with scripture?
That's fantastic news Don!!! Praise God! Tell her we have all been praying for her.
Indeed! The polio has left me in a condition which would cause be to be house bound until spring in that climate.
Demonstrably untrue so there must be another reason.
If you have even a rudimentary ability to read and understand Hebrew for yourself bring up the highlighted in bold portion of Isaiah below and you can convince yourself, if both you and God allow, that Miriam is indeed the almah/parthenos/virgin who bore a son (not Israel, except through Miriam) and his name was called ... (notice the two names) Jesus (in Matthew, English, not original Greek) and immanu el (in original Hebrew, which is actually, pay attention here, two words in Hebrew text). One cannot, in truth, call Mary the "mother of Jesus" without also allowing "mother of Immanuel." What does Immanuel mean ? It seems to me you will confess that the Holy Spirit calls/interprets this name as literally, and in truth, "God with us." It seems to me you use English commonly, so Miriam is the mother of God with us, and she is the mother of Jesus, and those names are in unity. Moreover the Lord spake again unto Ahaz, saying, Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord. Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
יג וַיֹּאמֶר, שִׁמְעוּ-נָא בֵּית דָּוִד: הַמְעַט מִכֶּם הַלְאוֹת אֲנָשִׁים, כִּי תַלְאוּ גַּם אֶת-אֱלֹהָי.
יד לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם--אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל.
And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
-Isaiah catholic chapter seven, Protestant verses ten to sixteen as authorized by King James, Hebrew from http://www.mechon-mamre.org
-Matthew, catholic chapter one, Protestant verses eighteen to twenty three, as authorized by King James
don-o,
Been praying for your bride. Great news!
I am using the same argument that you use: namely, “show me where that is in Scripture.” You know very well that the **doctrine** of the Trinity is not found in specific verses, but is deduced from Scripture.
God is “one in three Persons.” If you do not believe the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, you are not a Christian.
***Nestorius believed that those two natures were separable and therefore Mary was not the mother of the divine nature...***
This is why the Church declared that Nestorius was wrong and therefore a heretic.
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“One in three persons” is nowhere in scripture to be found!
It is an idea of men; men that consider themselves above the scriptures.
Let’s stick with the God that is revealed in scripture. “Christians” that can’t do that will not be likely to find his narrow path, as it is completely scripturally located.
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>> “This is why the Church declared that Nestorius was wrong and therefore a heretic.” <<
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Scripture shows Nestorius to be correct, and the man made catholic ‘church’ to be frightfully lost.
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>> “I hate the Mary ROME has created.” <<
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You mean the demon that answers to ‘Mother Mary?’
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***the bible tells us his spirit went to heaven and Jesus laid in the tomb while Jesus went to the center of the earth.***
Please give me those verses. I am not being snarky, I really want to know because I have not been able to find them in the Gospels.
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>> “THIS guy!?” <<
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He’s wearing his magic decoder ring....
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When did the argument shift from what Catholics believe to what Mormons believe?
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, WHETHER BY WORD, **or** by our epistle.”
II Thess. 2:14
St. Paul gives equal weight to the doctrines taught “by word” which were not written down in his epistles. The doctrine of the Trinity is one of them.
Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards his Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards his manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin; as regards his Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards his manhood begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of him, and our Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the creed of the fathers has handed down to us.It is fully orthodox to distinguish the two natures in Christ, both as to the attributes they ascribe to Christ, and their distinct points of origin, the divine nature in the Father, and the human nature in Mary. Your reliance on the smear against Nestorius does not work. You must allow the above statement as orthodox, and if you do, you have no logical basis for objecting to our distinguishing between the divine and human origins for the divine and human natures of Christ.
Available here: http://veritasbc.org/beliefs/creeds/
Wake me up when that happens. ZZZZZZ
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