Well, here's the thing: I don't care if you believe me or not. You were the one who challenged me with: "I’ve never seen them do it without attribution. Have you?". Is it illogical to then think you might be reading other Catholics' comments to have said this or was it just another careless, haphazard brush off to avoid acknowledging the facts?
No. That’s all I saved. I wished I saved more. You’ve done this before - even if you don’t remember it. It’s not about “nitpicking” or “grammar”. If a man who attacks the Catholic faith repeatedly, essentially claiming his invented sect must be better because Protestantism’s interpretation of the Bible is better and purer, shows himself to be dishonest even after GETTING CAUGHT - and only the Protestant anti-Catholics are doing this here - that says a lot about not only them, but their sect and Protestantism.
A wise person would realize that a few badly behaved people don't represent an entire group. Look how easily Catholics brush off the sordid history of their many depraved Popes - and these are guys y'all insist are vicars of Christ, His representatives on earth. I don't judge all of Roman Catholicism by the few Catholic anti-Protestant bigots that show up regularly on these kinds of threads. I see them as demonstrating their OWN dishonest and corrupt hearts. I don't believe ALL of Catholicism is wrong - there are many areas where I find complete agreement.
I have yet to come across Catholics doing online apologetics who are dishonest. They might exist, but I certainly have not run into them here at FR. Only the anti-Catholics seem to have this problem with honesty. Why is that?
Again, I see them posted frequently here - sometimes the SAME articles get re-posted even after they have been thoroughly debunked which is ignored by the re-poster as if they had never heard or read differently. How often do Catholic anti-Protestants trot out the "Luther card" here and say stuff like "Luther removed books from the Bible" when solid evidence is shown that no such thing happened? How many times is Luther trotted out as if he were the Pope and founder of the Reformation and Protestantism in order to smear ALL non-Catholic Christians even after that lie is disproved over and over? For someone who claims to be the champion of honest FR apologetic discourse, I don't think I have ever seen you stand up to your peers when such dishonesty goes on. Why is that?
Amen!
“A wise person would realize that a few badly behaved people don’t represent an entire group.”
Your characterization misses the point. A wise person would realize that the few “badly behaved [anti-Catholics here]” WHO WERE FORCED TO ADMIT THEY WERE LYING are in fact representative of the rest of the same group but the rest have not been forced to admit they were lying. That’s the point. The behavior is widespread, perhaps even universal, among Protestant anti-Catholics. Only a few have been cornered and forced to admit it.
I have known that literally DOZENS of anti-Catholics here have lied, or deliberately misrepresented the Catholic Church, the Catholic faith, Catholics, they’ve spread falsehoods, clearly false interpretations, etc. The board rules not only don’t allow you to call a specific person a liar - EVEN WHEN HE HAS ADMITTED HE LIED AND SAYS SO IN ONE OF HIS OWN POSTS - but are used in such a way to prevent anyone from even exposing the liar. We’ve talked about this sort of thing before.
I have yet to run across a single Catholic who was spreading false ideas about the Protestant faith who must have known it was false. I’ve never seen it. I have seen Catholics make mistakes about what Protestants believe - after all it’s understandable that Catholics would not necessarily be experts in the myriad of heretical beliefs that make up Protestantism. For some reason, however, Protestant anti-Catholics INSIST they know Catholicism better than those who embrace it and live it. Even after endless corrections they will post the same old, already refuted canards.
“How often do Catholic anti-Protestants trot out the “Luther card””
Many Protestants have admitted that Luther started the Protestant Revolt. Why shouldn’t we mention that fact? Protestantism never existed before Luther. That is a historical fact. It’s undeniable.
“...here and say stuff like “Luther removed books from the Bible” when solid evidence is shown that no such thing happened?”
Sorry, but Catholic Bibles - the only Bible Luther knew - had the Deutercanonical books. Luther removed them. How can you deny that? How can you deny that Luther said things about the Epistle of James such as it was not of Apostolic authorship?
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2004/09/luthers-outrageous-assertions-about.html
“How many times is Luther trotted out as if he were the Pope and founder of the Reformation and Protestantism...”
Boatbums...he WAS the founder of the “Reformation and Protestantism”. HE WAS. There’s no way around that fact.
You say, “Look how easily Catholics brush off the sordid history of their many depraved Popes - and these are guys y’all insist are vicars of Christ, His representatives on earth.”
There have been over 260 popes and NONE OF THEM ARE FOUNDERS OF OUR FAITH. Christ is. That’s one difference between my faith and yours. My faith was founded by and on Christ. Yours was founded by Luther. It’s undeniable. There were no Protestants before Luther. They didn’t exist. So, tell me all about the bad popes. They were bad. And? So? Yes, it’s deplorable that they were sinners - and we are sinners too. Yes, it is deplorable that they were hypocritical - then again so is every sinner (including you and me). Yet NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM founded my Church or my faith. Not one of them. Luther founded Protestantism. It’s just that simple.
“For someone who claims to be the champion of honest FR apologetic discourse, I don’t think I have ever seen you stand up to your peers when such dishonesty goes on. Why is that?”
Because it’s not dishonest to say that Luther is an inherent problem for Protestants. This is so well known, so well recognized, and so devastating and upsetting to Protestant anti-Catholics here, that I have been officially banned from mentioning where Luther invented Protestantism on this website - and I have the private messages from the powers that be to prove it. So don’t even think about telling me about being a “champion of honest FR apologetic discourse”.