Posted on 01/15/2015 9:23:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Edited on 01/15/2015 9:32:08 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Pope Francis announced Thursday that he will canonize Father Junipero Serra, the founder of California
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Either him or Nevada Smith, take your choice.
Another one where he waived the requirement for sainthood.
I refuse to recognize these people as saints, only as Blesseds.
Why do you say that? Do you know he walked the entire trip of California with a bum leg? To me that is a miracle in itself.
California mission project, a pretty universal public school project in California’s 4th grade. Many missions for those projects were recreated with sugar cubes, is what they were talking about.
Whoops wrong post. Ignore.
I guess he’s not concerned that his jetting around is going to worsen the man-made global warming he just said is mostly our fault. How will he appeal to mother gaia?
The Franciscans had all their missions more or less taken from them and placed under the control of their local bishops, whereupon their whole noble experiment sort of went to Heck in a handbasket.
The Bishops were said to be much less concerned with the welfare of the Indians and more with that of the local hacienda owners who needed the land, and the people to work it, under their direction.
Hmmmm, I’ve always pronounced it You-nip-arrow...
I don’t care what he did. I’m tired of Francis waiving requirements for sainthood. They exist for a reason.
Cali needs someone to pray to.
You were one lucky person to live in Carmel by the Sea!!!
This makes me happy. For many years, we lived just up Camino Capistrano from Mission San Juan Capistrano and were just steeped in the history of the missions and Fr. Serra.
Yea! Brian Kilmeade mangled his first name this AM on Fox & Friends. Fr. Serra was always one of my favorites in CA history. We studied him a lot when I was a child. It was state law. They probably don’t even mention him now!
The Father was a mean sadistic SOB and was brutal to the natives. His being elevated to saint shows what the church really values - money.
My husband and I renewed our marriage vows there when he was studying at the Naval Post-Grad school. I loved that mission Church! We used to attend Mass every once in a while at the Carmelite monastery that overlooked the beach further south of Carmel on the coastal highway. Those places were blessed...no doubt.
Serra directly opposed both the slave-catchers and the military who wanted to prostitute the Indian women. The Indians who entered the mission system for protection did so freely, and they were treated the same as the monks: once in, they were not allowed to leave, they learned literacy and manual skills; they worked, and they shared equitably in the products of their labor. They could be subject to corporal punishment for theft, for fleeing their responsibilities, by refusing to work (like like monks, or even just as they would be in their own tribes.) Solders of the Spanish crown fared worse!
There was no money, because neither the California Indians nor the Franciscans had a money economy: they had a communal economy.
The Spanish military wanted the Indians to get into a money economy, because he wanted them to pimp their own sisters, wives and daughters to the soldiers for money and liquor. When Serra opposed this, they agitated to the governor to get the system taken away from the Franciscans.
Eventually the Indians ended up like serfs on the haciendas, and sexual consorts for the soldiers, but this was not Serra's doing. He strove, labored and suffered to obtain the well-being and redemption of the California Indians all his life.
In this tumultuous contact of two civilizations (Spanish and Indian) the Spanish ascendancy was inevitable; but the way they did it was unconscionable. Serra was an opponent of the colonial military power structure and did everything he knew how could to protect the Indians and to safeguard their human dignity.
If we were in the exact same situation, with the same range of options, we would have done nobly indeed to do the exact same thing.
We agree to disagree. The Father’s actions are well documented by the concurrent records of the missions.
Is there anything I wrote that was not factual? If there is, I will be grateful for the correction. And the discussion can continue. Go ahead
YO YO Pope be in my hood SO CAL in the Fall
Where are you getting your information?? It is mistaken.
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