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To: WVKayaker
In fact, the real solution is: no priests. It should not be difficult to imagine a Christianity without priests.

Since priest = presbuteros there are indeed priests in the New Testament church.

21 posted on 12/17/2014 6:26:23 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius; CynicalBear; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums
Since priest = presbuteros there are indeed priests in the New Testament church.

No, that is not correct:

This however:

presbuteros: elder

Original Word: πρεσβύτερος, α, ον

Part of Speech: Adjective

Transliteration: presbuteros

Phonetic Spelling: (pres-boo'-ter-os)

Short Definition: elder

Definition: elder, usually used as subst.; an elder, a member of the Sanhedrin, an elder of a Christian assembly.

62 posted on 12/18/2014 2:13:41 PM PST by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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To: Petrosius
Since priest = presbuteros there are indeed priests in the New Testament church.

Of course there are not...There is no place for a priest in the church...

Your priesthood is fashioned (somewhat) after the priesthood of the Temple period...

There is no Temple...There's no need for a temple...There's no need for a priest...

The O.T. priests of the temple provided the sacrifices for the people...They only were allowed into the presence of God...They only were allowed to pass beyond the 'veil'...

The Temple has been destroyed...The veil has been removed...The sacrifices became one Sacrifice for everyone, forever...

The entire congregation now has access to the Mercy Seat without the aide of a priest...Your Catholic religion is not represented anywhere within the pages of the New Testament...

If you people would actually read the scriptures, you would know that...

70 posted on 12/18/2014 3:26:07 PM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: Petrosius; stonehouse01; WVKayaker; mrobisr; Mr Rogers
Since priest = presbuteros there are indeed priests in the New Testament church.

Since the distinctive word for OT sacerdotal clergy, “hiereus" - which NT presbuteros (senior/elder) never were titled - wrongly became "priest," there is indeed no class of clergy properly distinctively titled "priests.

"Priest" could be used if it kept the distinction btwn presbuteros and hiereus, which sacerd and preost orignallyl did, but in English it does not. Taking hiereus which is distinctively used for a distinctive class of OT clergy and translating it into a word used for both hiereus and presbuteros is the problem. The KJV correctly uses "elder" for presbuteros as that is what it originally meant.

One could take another word distinctively used for one office and translated it into a term which is then used for two offices but which the original languages used distinctive words for, and then claim they both had the same title. And which done due to imposed functional equivalence. But that would be something more fitting for a cult.

76 posted on 12/18/2014 4:44:10 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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