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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ah, so the admonition that women remain silent and not teach men is for non-Catholic women only it seems.


5,299 posted on 01/06/2015 11:54:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; af_vet_1981
"Ah, so the admonition that women remain silent and not teach men is for non-Catholic women only it seems."

You should ask AF VET.

That doesn't seem to be quite "it," though it's for him and you to sort it out.

It seems (to unworthy me) that what he's hoping for from you is not silence, but an explanation.

5,318 posted on 01/06/2015 2:26:57 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: metmom
Ah, so the admonition that women remain silent and not teach men is for non-Catholic women only it seems.
    I thought that I had already explained this before but apparently you did not.
  1. The Apostle to the Gentiles, Paul, was very clear and firm. He left written evidence that women were to keep silence in the churches. They were commanded to be under obedience as also said the law. It was a shame for women to speak in the church. And for those Corinthians that even thought to question this apostolic ruling Paul challenged them asking if the word of God came out from them (No, the word came from Israel), and if it only came to them (No, Messiah sent the Apostles to the corners of the known world). He further said if anyone thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, he must admit that the things Paul is teaching about behavior in the churches, including that of women, are the commandments of the Lord.
  2. Paul leaves another piece of scriptural evidence in his first letter to Timothy. Women must adorn themselves with good works and modest apparel, learning in subjection to the appropriate authority, not teaching nor usurping authority over the man. He explains the role rationale in terms of Adam and Eve.
  3. Paul taught the same doctrine in all the churches of the saints. The commandments of The Lord were the same in all the churches. There is one holy catholic apostolic Church. If you hold the Sola Scriptura doctrine I expect you to obey Paul's instructions, which clearly exclude women trying to teach believing men doctrine.
  4. You will say what of Hannah ? Jewish widow, married to a priest or Levite and so had a right to live in a designated area of the Temple. It never gave her carte Blanche to violate the law (which she did not do).
  5. You will bring up Priscilla. Jewish, married to Aquila, a Jew; both probably original disciples of a Messiah. Her conversations with Apollos were with her husband and private, not in public. That is how reverent Jewish women live even today.
  6. Now you say I don't require this same standard of Catholic women. They don't hold the doctrine of Sola Scriptura. They believe in apostolic succession such that they are in subjection to the Church which sets the rules; no women priests, regular religious teachers in obedience to a bishop, etc. no lone rangers, everything in order, and supported by the authority of the holy catholic apostolic Church. I submit myself to the authority of the holy catholic apostolic Church, else I would be a rebel and Lone Ranger. I accept traditions even though my instincts might take me elsewhere. I bought a clue; the Father did not do what I would have expected when Messiah ascended to heaven. He is right, always right.
  7. If you say I misinterpret the texts and women are allowed to teach doctrine to men, prophesy, etc. I say show me your authority or tradition. that approves, licenses, or sponsors a woman teaching, prophesying, or preaching like that. No lone rangerettes. Either Sola Scriptura and Paul's express delivery of the Lord's commandments and/or Paul's apostolic teaching, or a denomination, sect, or faith group tradition upon which rests your authority to attempt to teach me doctrine.
  8. Or better yet, come home to the Catholic Church where you will always be welcome no matter how far you've travelled.

5,335 posted on 01/06/2015 3:45:56 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: metmom
Ah, so the admonition that women remain silent and not teach men is for non-Catholic women only it seems.

You come up with some strange conclusions....on the other hand, Catholic women espousing Catholic teachings are correct....non-Catholic women espousing whatever are either in error or at least incomplete.

5,364 posted on 01/06/2015 9:06:09 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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