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It's a hard argument to make, since I've never been able to get a very clear idea of what churches our non-Catholic Christian women believers are affiliated with. I will take a wild guess and assume that some of their churches differ from each other in their official intepretation of Paul's instruction:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."
1 Timothy 2:12
"I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent."

Some of their churches probably teach that this just means women should not have any pastoral position.
Some of them may say it merely forbids women preachers, i.e. at the pulpit, but it may be OK for them to be public speakers an another venue..
Some may say women can't teach by speaking, but it's OK if they teach by writing.
Some may say it forbids women to each adult men in any church venue (e.g. an adult study class.) These may forbid women to teach in seminaries.
Some of them may say it's wrong for women to exercise any leadership role whatsoever.
(I once worked --- briefly--- for a fairly famous Christian whose name I shall not mention, who held this idea that every female had to have a male directing her in any organizational capacity. She could not be the head of anything, not even a committee. I did not work for him long.)
Maybe some of them even maintain that that was just "Paul's Practice," i.e. totally limited to his particular place, time, and churches. They may not observe it all anymore. That would be pretty "liberal," but who knows??

However, since our fellow Christians choose to conceal their own particular church affiliations, we never know for sure if they are acting in line with their own denominational guidelines, or whether they are just out there wingin' it on their own.

But since they evidently don't feel themselves bound to just ask their husbands at home when they desire to learn something, they are probably operating on the basis of some hermeneutic tradition shaped by their denomination's history, perhaps unacknowledged.

I could be they don't tell us their ecclesial affiliation, because they think their church actually couldn't bear much scrutiny. If that's the case, I really don't blame them for keeping it under wraps.

“I could be they don’t tell us their ecclesial affiliation, because they think their church actually couldn’t bear much scrutiny. “

I’ve stated mine enough times on this forum. Others have as well. But...

... I am here to post about Christ, His indescribable gift of salvation to everyone who entrusts themselves to Him alone, and to point out errors that distort the Gospel of grace. Talking about denominations is irrelevant to that.

best and Happy New Year to you, Mrs. Don-o.

Now bear with me. She was so very brave, full of grace and faith, not knowing how God was going to resolve her pregnancy out of wedlock. As she walked by faith and God sent angels to protect and defend her, who knew that Yeshua/Jesus was her son and not Joseph's ? Joseph, Mary, Elizabeth, Zacharias/Zachariah, Simeon, Hannah/Anna, Mary's family, Joseph's family, etc. Which of them at that time believed Mary was the Virgin of Israel who by the Spirit of God became pregnant and bore the Messiah ? The real interesting question is with all the undeserved shame and guilt projected on this brave young Virgin of Israel, when did Jesus know she was innocent and how very brave and faithful she had been for His sake ? What did they tell the young child ? When did Yeshua know that Joseph was not his biological father ? When did He know that He was the a Son of God and God the Son ? At the age of 12 He knew God was his Father, even as Mary spoke to him of Joseph as his father.
The second point became obvious to me. Once Jesus realized the love, faith, grace, and loyalty His mother willingly gave Him, they were eternally bonded in love. He could but respond to love with love. Now it makes perfect sense at Cana when he said Ma li v'lach ? It was a tender question in a bond of holy love between mother and son; What is there between you and me ? Love, trust, faith until death and beyond. What can I do for you ? This makes her reply to the servants: "Do whatever he tells you" perfectly sensible. A pearl of great price.

I find it incredibly sad, and warped, that men concocted a doctrine of total depravity which they vainly try to apply to this brave woman, who stood for Him before He was even conceived, and stood with Him even at death. There is much about this Holy a Family not yet revealed.

>>I will take a wild guess and assume<<

>>Some of their churches probably<<

>>Some of them may say<<

>>but it may be<<

>>Some may say<<

>>These may forbid<

>>Maybe some of them<<

>>They may not observe<<

>>they evidently<<

>>they are probably<<

< >>It could be<<

>>If that's the case<<

That's all from one post!!!! The Catholic propensity to base one's beliefs on speculation is stunning.