[CynicalBear]

>>I will take a wild guess and assume<<

>>Some of their churches probably<<

>>Some of them may say<<

>>but it may be<<

>>Some may say<<

>>These may forbid<

>>Maybe some of them<<

>>They may not observe<<

>>they evidently<<

>>they are probably<<

< >>It could be<<

>>If that's the case<<

That's all from one post!!!! The Catholic propensity to base one's beliefs on speculation is stunning.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

In Mrs. Don-o’s defense, the Religion Forum causes us all to speak and hedge our words when referring to other FReepers, in order to stay within the guidelines of not making it personal.

I would take it as her good-natured self, playing within the rules and trying not to give offense.

If she says it about Scripture, then bust her! (just kidding :-)

AMPU

[Mrs. Don-o]

That's exactly my point, dear Cynical Bear, and that's why I state these, not as facts nor even as assumptions, but as I said, wild guesses.

I did NOT base any beliefs on them. On that key point, you are incorrect.

We were discussing St. Paul's precepts at 1 Cor. 14 and 1 Tim. 2 that women should not preach, teach, ask questions in public, or exercise leadership, at least under some circumstances. Nobody has given me, on this thread, an explanation of what their belief is today. Do Paul's limits on women, limit today's Christian woman from all preaching, teaching, and leadership, or not? Or to what extent?

I can't speak of YOUR beliefs, CynicalBear, or metmom's, or anybody else's, because you have not told me what you believe on this score, or what your teachers teach on it.

So, reasonably, I am using tentative language to say "may" or "might" of "if that's the case."

So I will put the question to you directly. Do you think Paul's precepts to the Corinthians and to Timothy mean:

• Women should not have any pastoral position.

  ~OR~

• Women are not to be preachers, i.e. at the pulpit, but it may be OK for them to be public speakers an another venue.

  ~OR~

• Women are not to be preachers, but may exercise other pastoral roles.

  ~OR~

• women can't teach by speaking, but it's OK if they teach by writing.

  ~OR~

• Women are forbidden to each adult men in any church venue (e.g. an adult study class.)

  ~OR~

• Women may not teach men in seminaries.

  ~OR~

• Women may not exercise any leadership role whatsoever.

  ~OR~

• A woman may not be head of anything, not even a committee, if that puts a man in a non-leading position.

  ~OR~

• Paul's precepts in this case are limited to his particular place, time, and churches. The churches need not observe this anymore.

• ~OR~

• Is there some other possibility I forgot?

So you see, I did not presume to know what your (various) answer(s) would be. I was very careful NOT to impute to you a position which you do not hold.

So, CynicalBear, metmom, boatbums, mitch5501, Mark17--- educate me. What limits on women are to be observed because of what Paul said in the cited passages?