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To: Mrs. Don-o
??? I don’t know what to say. I’m not sure what kind of “credentials” are being talked about. Also not sure if it applies to just women, or women and men. Is this about women preachers as in, official professional clergy? Or just women contributing to open forums like FR? af_vet_1981, can you clarify?

This is about women who claim to be Christians, and purport to believe in the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, but deny it by their behavior when trying to teach believing men doctrine, which the Apostle to the Gentiles expressly forbids. Women refuse to identify the denomination, sect, faith group, or cult who they represent and who is supposedly sponsoring their teaching are so clearly at odds with 1 Timothy as they set themselves up as teachers over men.

Some of the Wandering Catholics objected because I do not rebuke Catholic women who teach here, whom I took to mean yourself. They consider it hypocrisy. I, however, hold Catholic women to a different standard, because they live under a different standard, that of subjection to the authority of the holy catholic apostolic Church, which is the standard to which I hold Catholics. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a ready resource to weigh what a Catholic teaches. These supposed adherents of Sola Scriptura, which is not biblically sanctioned, so clearly abandon it for modern feminist trends and errors, not unlike the first Eve.

5,174 posted on 01/05/2015 4:01:56 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

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5,176 posted on 01/05/2015 4:09:42 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: af_vet_1981
It's a hard argument to make, since I've never been able to get a very clear idea of what churches our non-Catholic Christian women believers are affiliated with. I will take a wild guess and assume that some of their churches differ from each other in their official intepretation of Paul's instruction:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church."

1 Timothy 2:12
"I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent."

However, since our fellow Christians choose to conceal their own particular church affiliations, we never know for sure if they are acting in line with their own denominational guidelines, or whether they are just out there wingin' it on their own.

But since they evidently don't feel themselves bound to just ask their husbands at home when they desire to learn something, they are probably operating on the basis of some hermeneutic tradition shaped by their denomination's history, perhaps unacknowledged.

I could be they don't tell us their ecclesial affiliation, because they think their church actually couldn't bear much scrutiny. If that's the case, I really don't blame them for keeping it under wraps.

5,180 posted on 01/05/2015 5:40:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: af_vet_1981; Mrs. Don-o; metmom
This is about women who claim to be Christians, and purport to believe in the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, but deny it by their behavior when trying to teach believing men doctrine, which the Apostle to the Gentiles expressly forbids. Women refuse to identify the denomination, sect, faith group, or cult who they represent and who is supposedly sponsoring their teaching are so clearly at odds with 1 Timothy as they set themselves up as teachers over men.

No, that is NOT what it is about at all. You've spent the last month on this thread - and further back than that on other threads - discussing with me and others about various topics, but only now are bringing up the "woman as teacher" card when you have nothing left to argue with and you can't get anyone to budge. If you truly were at all concerned with your "authority" being usurped, you wouldn't have entered into the conversation in the first place. If you didn't know I was female, you would not have had even THAT to toss out. I'll bet the non-Cath guys really throw you for a loop! Who knows how many women you are arguing with here and you don't even know it? I'd suggest if that makes you feel icky and impotent, you ought to stay away from this forum.

It is disingenuous to come unto an anonymous Internet forum, one that uses screen names instead of actual names, and demand everyone kowtow to your sensitivities. You've been told before by the Religion Moderator to back off of your badgering demands for denominational affiliation, yet here you are making a big deal out of it again so you can hide behind that instead of admitting you stepped in a big steaming pile you left by asserting your dominance over Freeper women who happen to disagree with you!

How many times do you have to be told that a person is representing the faith teachings of Scripture and THAT is what should be judged rather than what church one attends? If all you have to back up your authority for what you teach is that your "church" backs you up, then you already know that won't hold much weight here if you can't back it up with Scripture. You despise what you call sola Scriptura, but you want to cling to it if you think it can impugn someone else's beliefs.

Here's a NEWSFLASH...Free Republic isn't church! In Paul's day, there were women teachers, deacons and leaders within the early church! Some churches met in the homes of these women and they were big financial supporters of the missionary works of the Apostles. Timothy learned quite a bit from his mother and grandmother about the faith. What Paul decried was NOT knowledgeable, godly women teaching, but those who were unlearned and who disrupted services by shouting questions back and forth with their husbands. These women, Paul said, were to wait until they got home to ask their husbands and to be silent in the church. Women were not to be pastors in churches because this is a position of power and authority because God designed men to be the leaders in both the church and their homes. Specifically, women were not to "usurp", or to instigate conflict or lord it over a man. Sadly today there are far too many men who take no interest in learning about the faith and teaching their families and women have to pick up the slack. Times sure have changed!

5,211 posted on 01/05/2015 8:09:23 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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