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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
There's a story in the Bible about such "rotten stuff."

2 Kings 13:21 Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.

And your point being?

Attempting to somehow equate Mary with Elisha??

We have the OT account of how God used Elisha and the wonders that he was able to do.

We have no such records regarding Mary having super natural capabilities in the NT. Nor is there any hint of her having any super natural powers.

The catholic desperation to somehow justify Mary as being equal or like Elisha to justify their worship of her is indeed sad.

3,454 posted on 12/28/2014 4:43:58 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Most of their doctrines of mystic happenings are borrowed and distorted from the old testament events....they use them to justify their beliefs which are easily accepted by the mass of followers within the catholic religion...just as the Muslims accept whatever their Mullahs teach them. The indoctrination to both begins from birth onward.


3,459 posted on 12/28/2014 4:59:50 PM PST by caww
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To: ealgeone
And your point being? Attempting to somehow equate Mary with Elisha??

The point regards the nature of relics.

Regarding Mary, I'm sure you would agree that she was Jesus' mother. So we can begin with some common ground.

In the Bible we see that Jesus is the King of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom, or "the Kingdom of God."

Revelation 3:7

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

(The "key of David" was an over-sized key which the Davidic king would bestow on his vice-regent in the king's absence, representing the vice-regent's authority to "open and shut." See Isaiah 22)

In the Old Testament, we see that the "Gebirah," "Queen Mother," or mother of the Davidic king held an exalted office, often sitting on a throne at the right hand of the king.

1 Kings 2:19

When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.

As the Mother of Jesus, Mary is the "Queen Mother" of the eternal, redeemed, Davidic kingdom. She is the "Queen of Heaven," and as such is due veneration.
Rev. 12

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”


3,461 posted on 12/28/2014 5:01:38 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ealgeone
We have no such records regarding Mary having super natural capabilities in the NT.

You're correct, at least during her earthly life. But things in Heaven are different from things on earth. "Eye has not seen and ear has not heard..." Mary is the "Queen of Heaven" referred to in Revelation. God only knows what graces she receives in Heaven.

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But here is an important point regarding the principle of "sola scriptura" which you assume as valid.

If this principle isn't contained in the Bible, is it a valid principle?

This principle can't be contained in the Bible, because the Bible wasn't compiled or canonized until centuries after the last book of the Bible was written. Therefore, no passage in Scripture could possibly be referring to the Bible as a whole, either the Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox versions.

Luther's doctrine of "the Bible alone as the sole or ultimate rule of faith" is self-refuting.

3,462 posted on 12/28/2014 5:11:57 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: ealgeone

Amen.


3,479 posted on 12/28/2014 6:12:59 PM PST by MamaB
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