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To: ealgeone
We have no such records regarding Mary having super natural capabilities in the NT.

You're correct, at least during her earthly life. But things in Heaven are different from things on earth. "Eye has not seen and ear has not heard..." Mary is the "Queen of Heaven" referred to in Revelation. God only knows what graces she receives in Heaven.

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But here is an important point regarding the principle of "sola scriptura" which you assume as valid.

If this principle isn't contained in the Bible, is it a valid principle?

This principle can't be contained in the Bible, because the Bible wasn't compiled or canonized until centuries after the last book of the Bible was written. Therefore, no passage in Scripture could possibly be referring to the Bible as a whole, either the Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox versions.

Luther's doctrine of "the Bible alone as the sole or ultimate rule of faith" is self-refuting.

3,462 posted on 12/28/2014 5:11:57 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
>We have no such records regarding Mary having super natural capabilities in the NT.<

You're correct, at least during her earthly life. But things in Heaven are different from things on earth. "Eye has not seen and ear has not heard..." Mary is the "Queen of Heaven" referred to in Revelation. God only knows what graces she receives in Heaven.

Nor do we have any such "record" of any of what catholics claim for Mary in Heaven.

By your own admission catholics do not know what graces Mary may or may not have received....yet catholics charge right ahead and assume what these are.

When John was caught up to Heaven and saw the throne of God he did not see Mary anywhere near the throne. Nor does he record seeing Mary period. His primary purpose was to reveal what was to come. That does not involve Mary.

Like a good catholic you've taken a verse out of context to fit a need.

Here is 1 Corinthians 2: 6-13 in context.

6Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 9but just as it is written, “THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM.” 10For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

3,469 posted on 12/28/2014 5:25:18 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

” But here is an important point regarding the principle of “sola scriptura” which you assume as valid.

If this principle isn’t contained in the Bible, is it a valid principle?”

...........

You have had this explained to you on multiple threads. It is a logical fallacy to ask this question. It is foolish to not recognize what the Word of God claims for itself. Hundreds of verses. Many, many have been posted to you.

What isn’t there is a Catholic litany:

holy water,
worshiping relics
Mariolatry
Salvation by works
and so, so much more.


3,472 posted on 12/28/2014 5:34:53 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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