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To: ealgeone
And your point being? Attempting to somehow equate Mary with Elisha??

The point regards the nature of relics.

Regarding Mary, I'm sure you would agree that she was Jesus' mother. So we can begin with some common ground.

In the Bible we see that Jesus is the King of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom, or "the Kingdom of God."

Revelation 3:7

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

(The "key of David" was an over-sized key which the Davidic king would bestow on his vice-regent in the king's absence, representing the vice-regent's authority to "open and shut." See Isaiah 22)

In the Old Testament, we see that the "Gebirah," "Queen Mother," or mother of the Davidic king held an exalted office, often sitting on a throne at the right hand of the king.

1 Kings 2:19

When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.

As the Mother of Jesus, Mary is the "Queen Mother" of the eternal, redeemed, Davidic kingdom. She is the "Queen of Heaven," and as such is due veneration.
Rev. 12

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”


3,461 posted on 12/28/2014 5:01:38 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Man I tell you what....catholics sure can spin things to suit their narrative.


3,463 posted on 12/28/2014 5:16:18 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
What a stretch!....That's just distortion once again in order to keep people in lockstep with what Rome wants the masses to believe.

However it once more evidences how Romes teachings borrow from old testamnet events to justify thier twisted worship of mary...which is NOT the Mary of the Bible....rather a dressed and made-up icon for the masses to worship...as they will and do.

In reality:

.."And it was told him (Jesus) by certain which said,..." Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.... And he answered and said unto them,... My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.” ......(Luke 8:19-21)

When Jesus was told about this, he told them that his mother and brethren were those who were inside the room listening to him preach the word of God. Why did Jesus make such a statement? He did this because he was showing the people the difference between the natural family and the spiritual family. Yes, Mary was outside. Yes, she was the natural mother of Jesus, but Jesus was showing the people that the spiritual family is what really counts. Jesus showed no partiality even when it came right down to his natural family on this earth.

Jesus did NOT exalt his own mother above anyone else and we should follow His example also.

There is absolutely no hope outside of the person of Jesus Christ. Eternal life is in the Son and Mary has absolutely nothing to do with the salvation of any soul.

3,470 posted on 12/28/2014 5:25:41 PM PST by caww
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; ealgeone
No, Mary is not the queen of heaven and the sign in Revelation 12 is not a sign of Mary. It's a sign of the nation of Israel as prophesied in Isaiah.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. 8 Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.

We see that sign appearing in heaven in Revelation 12.

Revelation 12:5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who "will rule all the nations with an iron scepter." And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

The Catholic doctrine of elevating Mary is simply an attempt to justify inclusion of pagan beliefs in order to attract pagans into the religion of Catholicism.

3,586 posted on 12/29/2014 6:23:58 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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