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To: CynicalBear

“The only true ekklesia of God are those who have been “called out” by God to be the body of Christ. Their allegiance and trust is in Christ alone through faith alone. “

Keep in mind that you are trying to communicate two concepts that are foreign to the catholic mind - Christ’s statement about His ekklesia and people being directly connected to Christ through faith.

They do not have a frame of reference for either.

They believe in a physical, worldly organization that stands alone in entitlement.

To fill this spiritual vacuum they must substitute tradition for unchanging truth, change Mary into a benevolent and loving step-stone to a relationship with Him, add pagan worship practices, a priestly class, idols to parade around as they are alive and powerful, etc.

It is always worth sharing the truth, but no human likes to have their sense of reality invalidated. Their only response is louder claims of authority.

Think the scene in The Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy sees behind the curtain and “the wizard makes louder and more threatening self-important claims.

Once someone comes to Christ in faith, as you know, it is evident that the claims are not only false, but circumvents the Gospel.

Share in love. Those who remain vocally anti-Christian identify themselves as the most in need of prayer.


3,266 posted on 12/26/2014 8:16:54 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Think the scene in The Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy sees behind the curtain and “the wizard makes louder and more threatening self-important claims.

We gots a cuppla WIZTARDS POSTING HERE!


3,277 posted on 12/27/2014 2:46:06 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
To fill this spiritual vacuum they must substitute tradition for unchanging truth, change Mary into a benevolent and loving step-stone to a relationship with Him, add pagan worship practices, a priestly class, idols to parade around as they are alive and powerful, etc.

Tis too much the case. Cults and ac certain class of charismatics also do so, yet even they do not imagine they can hear virtually infinite amounts of prayer addressed to them in Heaven!

3,281 posted on 12/27/2014 4:38:29 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Think the scene in The Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy sees behind the curtain and “the wizard makes louder and more threatening self-important claims.

Fitting, though i believe this part was originally intended to be a parody of Christian belief in God, with Dorothy telling the wizard he should be ashamed of himself for scaring people. Te real think will be what souls can only wish was imaginary.

3,282 posted on 12/27/2014 5:06:22 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; CynicalBear
For many this discussion has reached past the point of rationality. There is apocalyptic conviction that arises out of an unquestioning acceptance of supernatural evidence, even if that supernatural evidence runs completely counter to the Scriptural testimony, as exemplified here:
Louis de Montfort is considered by many as the greatest Marian evangelist of all time. Canonized as a Catholic Saint in 1947, Montfort made the following last day's prediction: The power of Mary over all devils will be particularly outstanding in the last period of time. She will extend the Kingdom of Christ over the idolators and Moslems, and there will come a glorious era in which Mary will be ruler and queen of human hearts.[19]

Available here: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/07/25/mary-queen-peace
The point is, if the seat of authority is the man in Rome, and not the divine word, then any direction he leads, no matter how adverse to the Gospel, will be defended, excused, or perhaps trivialized when necessary, but ultimately followed by billions of human souls.  Then, when thousands of apparitions fill the skies, claiming to be Mary, claiming to offer the peace of God's kingdom to pagans and Muslims without the cost of conversion to Jesus Christ, and Rome comes along and sets the capstone to this by proclaiming Mary co-redemptrix, as dogma, virtually certifying her deity, no matter how much Rome's defenders here deny it, how hard it will be for those who have made that choice to come back to the simplicity of the Gospel as proclaimed in Scripture.
2 Timothy 4:2-4  Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.  (3)  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  (4)  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
How can Montfort be a saint when he leads people to accept this Queen of Heaven, when she (not the true Mary) is a deceiver, a usurper to God's own throne, when there is only one who will ever rule the hearts of those who have trusted in Jesus?  Caesar has already tried this and failed. We have no monarch but Christ, nor ever will have another, and one day every knee will bow, and every tongue confess, when all the charades are over, and the false apparitions exposed for the frauds they are, that Jesus Christ is Lord, Lord of Lords, King of kings, and of the increase of His kingdom there will be no end.  The imposters, both human and otherwise, will have a much shorter run, and a very hard landing.

Peace,

SR


3,296 posted on 12/27/2014 11:08:03 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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