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To: CynicalBear

“So in order to defend your beliefs you have to use words that are not allowed in the Religion Forum? Wow!”

Is that what I said? No, it is not.

“And yet no Catholic can show any source for the belief in the assumption of Mary or bowing to idols or even that the traditions they claim are the same traditions the apostles were talking about.”

1) Which is more important as an issue: a) Assumption of Mary or b) sola fide and sola scriptura?

You have NO scriptural support for sola fide or sola scriptura - NONE. And you’re complaining about what we believe?

Also, we don’t bow to idols - for idols are really sculptures worshiped as gods. All we worship as God is God Himself.

“Now if you want to believe that stuff that’s your business. But don’t come in here proclaiming to be the Church that Jesus founded trying to convince others to join you and not be challenged.”

Again, you have failed every single time anyone here has ever asked you to post even one verse that actually teaches sola scriptura or sola fide. Every, single time. Oh, you’ll post verses and verses and verses - and none of them will actually teach sola scriptura or sola fide. Nope. Instead they’ll teach about the inspiration of scripture or the importance of faith. They won’t teach what you claim they do.


2,396 posted on 12/20/2014 1:54:29 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; CynicalBear; Elsie
... 1) Which is more important as an issue: a) Assumption of Mary or b) sola fide and sola scriptura? ...Vlad the wrong one...

Once again proving that trying to change the subject (or deflect the question) never works!

Look! Squirrel! (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain TRUTH!)


2,429 posted on 12/20/2014 4:10:49 PM PST by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: vladimir998
>>1) Which is more important as an issue: a) Assumption of Mary or b) sola fide and sola scriptura?<<

Well, let me think about that for a sec. Is making something up that the apostles didn't teach nor is there any historical evidence of more important or do I think to rely strictly what Jesus and the apostles taught is more important?

I'll confess. I think it's more important to rely on what Jesus and the apostles taught than hoping some guy 300 years after Revelation was written who has no written evidence and no historical evidence and then word of mouth through nearly 2000 years.

>>Again, you have failed every single time anyone here has ever asked you to post even one verse that actually teaches sola scriptura or sola fide. Every, single time.<<

Ok, so I believe that when Paul said in Galatians 1 "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." that he meant it and if someone teaches something they didn't teach I consider them accursed. Now, Catholics on the other hand believe in fallible humans telling a story through nearly 2000 years without changing. I've seen the game played out.

2,440 posted on 12/20/2014 4:59:00 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: vladimir998
Again, you have failed every single time anyone here has ever asked you to post even one verse that actually teaches sola scriptura or sola fide. Every, single time.

Again you IGNORE the clear warning in Scripture:

1 Corinthians 4:6

Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit,
so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written."
Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

2,620 posted on 12/21/2014 3:54:14 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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