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To: ealgeone
Bible notes Noah got drunk

That is not a sin. Jesus got quite a few people drunk.

John understood the world was full of sinners

It is full of sinners. That is why John came and then Christ. No one argued otherwise.

Mary understood she needed a Savior

Mary indeed needed a Savior; ;this is Who prevented her from all sin.

kiddies are sinners

No. Sin is willful violation of a divine law understood by the sinner to exist. A young child, before about 7 years old, does not know the law and is not capable of free will.

1,377 posted on 12/17/2014 7:54:37 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
>Bible notes Noah got drunk<

That is not a sin. Jesus got quite a few people drunk.

There mere fact that you would accuse Jesus of getting "quite a few people drunk" shows you display a lack of understanding of not only the Word, but Christ Himself.

I caution you on making such statements. You are accusing Christ, the Man who died for our sins, of leading people into temptation and causing them to sin.

Here are a couple of passages regarding what the Word says about being drunk.

Ephesians 5:18

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

Galatians 5:21 Envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God

1 Corinthians 5:11

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

We'll stop there.

This would be the second position you've been shown with Scripture to be in error. The first regarding "all have sinned."

I sincerely recommend you read the New Testament and ditch whatever talking points you're using. They've been shown twice now to be in error.

I would begin with John and then Romans.

In all sincerity, I pray you find the Truth.

1,387 posted on 12/17/2014 8:23:45 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: annalex
Jesus got quite a few people drunk.

More Romish teaching with NO data to base it on?

1,423 posted on 12/17/2014 10:08:18 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex
Sin is willful violation of a divine law understood by the sinner to exist

"You are Israel's teacher, and do you not understand these things?"


Leviticus 5:17-19

“If a person sins and violates any of the Lord’s commandments which must not be violated (although he did not know it at the time, but later realizes he is guilty), then he will bear his punishment for iniquity and must bring a flawless ram from the flock, convertible into silver shekels, for a guilt offering to the priest. So the priest will make atonement on his behalf for his error which he committed (although he himself had not known it) and he will be forgiven. It is a guilt offering; he was surely guilty before the Lord.”


(This is probably just another of those Jewish traditions...)

1,428 posted on 12/17/2014 10:12:37 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annalex; Gamecock

Hey, gamecock.

Over here. This one is a doozy. It’s loaded for bear.


1,532 posted on 12/17/2014 5:03:29 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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