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To: CynicalBear

-— It was started as a correction of the corrupt practice of veneration of Mary which is clearly not sanctioned in scripture. -—

Mary is Jesus’ mother, and the Queen of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom. She is the Queen of Heaven. See the Bible.

1)

Historically, upon leaving the palace on a journey, the Davidic king would sometimes bestow an oversized key on the majordomo of the king’s palace. The majordomo would keep the key in a pouch worn around his neck.

The key symbolized the majordomo’s full plenary authority in the king’s absence (the power to “open and shut”).

This historical practice is reflected in Isaiah 22:

I will depose you from your office, and you will be ousted from your position.

“In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah.

I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah.

I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

2)

Jesus is the King of the new, eternal and redeemed Davidic Kingdom since He holds the “Key of David.”

Rev. 3:7

“To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

3)

The “Gebirah,” Queen Mother, or mother of the king in the Davidic kingdom held an exalted position (even above the position of the Queen[s]), sitting at the King’s right hand. This was mainly because the king had many wives.

This can be seen in 1 Kings 2:

When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.

Other references to her authority:

Jeremiah 13:18

Tell the king and the Queen mother (Gebirah), “Sit in a lower place, since your glorious crown has fallen from your head.”

2 Kings 10:13

“We are kinsmen of Ahaziah,” they replied. “We are going down to visit the princes and the family of the queen mother”

4)

Mary is the Mother of Jesus, the King of the eternal, redeemed, Davidic Kingdom.

5)

Mary is the Queen Mother of the eternal, redeemed, Davidic kingdom, the Kingdom of God.

Rev. 12

A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads.

Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.

She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”

6)

Yes, the “woman” of Revelation also represents Israel, since Scripture is polyvalent, but in a secondary sense.

7) As the Queen of Heaven, Mary is due veneration.

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1,108 posted on 12/16/2014 2:41:12 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
>>Mary is Jesus’ mother, and the Queen of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom. She is the Queen of Heaven. See the Bible.<<

Mary as "queen of heaven" is not in there>

>>This was mainly because the king had many wives.<<

Jesus doesn't have "many wives" so no need for the mother of the King to be declared queen.

>>A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.<<

That would be the nation of Israel.

>>As the Queen of Heaven<<

NO "queen of heaven" in scripture other than in paganism.

>>Mary is due veneration.<<

venerate - To regard with deep respect or reverence.
Latin venerātus, past participle of venerārī to solicit the goodwill of (a god), worship,
Synonyms: revere, worship, deify, glorify, adore, idolize

Nope.

1,118 posted on 12/16/2014 3:12:02 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Heresy Alert!!

As the Queen of Heaven, Mary is due veneration.


1,189 posted on 12/16/2014 5:24:25 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; CynicalBear; EagleOne
Mary is Jesus’ mother, and the Queen of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom. She is the Queen of Heaven. See the Bible.

You left out this passage in the Bible about the Queen of Heaven, Jeremiah chapters 7 and 44 are the ONLY places where the term, Queen of Heaven, is found and it is NEVER about Mary but a false goddess that got the Jews in BIG trouble with God:

    “Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined to bring disaster on you and to destroy all Judah. I will take away the remnant of Judah who were determined to go to Egypt to settle there. They will all perish in Egypt; they will fall by the sword or die from famine. From the least to the greatest, they will die by sword or famine. They will become a curse and an object of horror, a curse and an object of reproach. I will punish those who live in Egypt with the sword, famine and plague, as I punished Jerusalem. None of the remnant of Judah who have gone to live in Egypt will escape or survive to return to the land of Judah, to which they long to return and live; none will return except a few fugitives.”

    Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the Lord! We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our ancestors, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

    The women added, “When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven and poured out drink offerings to her, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes impressed with her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?”

    Then Jeremiah said to all the people, both men and women, who were answering him, “Did not the Lord remember and call to mind the incense burned in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem by you and your ancestors, your kings and your officials and the people of the land? When the Lord could no longer endure your wicked actions and the detestable things you did, your land became a curse and a desolate waste without inhabitants, as it is today. Because you have burned incense and have sinned against the Lord and have not obeyed him or followed his law or his decrees or his stipulations, this disaster has come upon you, as you now see.”

    Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including the women, “Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah in Egypt. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You and your wives have done what you said you would do when you promised, ‘We will certainly carry out the vows we made to burn incense and pour out drink offerings to the Queen of Heaven.’

    “Go ahead then, do what you promised! Keep your vows! But hear the word of the Lord, all you Jews living in Egypt: ‘I swear by my great name,’ says the Lord, ‘that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, “As surely as the Sovereign Lord lives.” For I am watching over them for harm, not for good; the Jews in Egypt will perish by sword and famine until they are all destroyed. Those who escape the sword and return to the land of Judah from Egypt will be very few. Then the whole remnant of Judah who came to live in Egypt will know whose word will stand—mine or theirs. (Jeremiah 44:11-28)


1,320 posted on 12/16/2014 9:13:04 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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