Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Just leave us alone.
On FR and in real life - just leave us in peace.
Protestants make that assertion because they really don’t have much to support their heresy.
This thread was posted to compared catholicism's man-made teachings with the teachings of the Bible's.
If catholicism cannot stand up to scrutiny on this issue when compared to the Word then all threads regarding Catholicism need to be pulled.
I did not hide it behind a "caucus" thread, as some do, to keep discussion away. This issue needs to be discussed. Either the man-made teachings on catholicism are right or the Biblical position is right. They both can't be. No where in the Word do we see anyone worshipping Mary.
Recall when the Wise Men came to see Christ after He was born the Bible records the Wise Men came into the House, saw the Child with Mary His mother, and they fell to the ground and worshipped Him. Not Mary. Not Joseph. They worshipped Christ by falling to their knees. And catholics tell us when they're on their knees before a man-made image of Mary they're not worshipping Mary??
Last time I checked this was Free Republic where we still have a right to post.
I provided you with many examples of how worship was conducted in the Bible; gave you the NT definition of worship and compared it to catholicism using a catholic website.
That's is a lot of evidence. I sure hope you're not an attorney.
Well then, I will give a good bit more to consider about Mary being the New Eve:
Eve, the O.T.”Type”.........................Mary, the N.T. “Antitype”
Created without original sin, Gen 2:22-25.........Created without original sin, Luke 1:28,42 *1
There was a virgin, Gen 2:22-25.......................There is a virgin, Luke 1:27-34
There was a tree, Gen 2:16-17..........................There was a cross made from a tree, Matt 27:31-35
There was a fallen angel, Gen 3:1-13................There was a loyal angel, Luke 1:26-38
A satanic serpent tempted her, Gen 3:4-6...........A satanic dragon threatened her, Rev 12:4-6,13-17
There was pride, Gen 3:4-7...............................There was humility, Luke 1:38
There was disobedience, Gen 3:4-7....................There was obedience, Luke 1:38
There was a fall, Gen 3:16-20...........................There was redemption, John 19:34
Death came through Eve, Gen 3:17-19..............Life Himself came through Mary, John 10:28
She was mentioned in Genesis 3:2-22................She was mentioned in Genesis 3:15
Could not approach the tree of life Gen 3:24......Approached the “Tree of Life”, John 19:25
An angel kept her out of Eden, Gen 3:24............An angel protected her, Rev 12:7-9
Prophecy of the coming of Christ, Gen 3:15.......The Incarnation of Christ, Luke 2:7
Firstborn was a man child, Gen 4:1...................Firstborn was a man child, Luke 2:7, Rev 12:5
Firstborn became a sinner, Gen 4:1-8................Firstborn was the Savior, Luke 2:34
The mother of all the living, Gen 3:20................The spiritual mother of all the living, John 19:27
Returned to dust, Gen 3:19................................Taken to Heaven, Rev 11:19,12:1
And now...I am out of here for the day due to family obligations.
If “sharing the truth” were really your goal, you would pick some difference between Catholic teachings and Protestant teachings (oops - which Protestant denomination? Some poster here a few months back proudly asserted there were 80000 of them) and try to support the Protestant view.
But then, if you did that, someone with a good knowledge of Protestant teachings could probably find another Protestant denomination whose teachings contradicted whatever points you made.
How many minds do you really think you are going to change by coming in and posting an incorrect and inflammatory vanity?
I find plenty of Catholic threads that seem the same way to me. Should I push the "abuse" button or cry to the moderator just because I don't like it? The road runs both ways.
What part is inflammatory when compared to the Word?
You will note also that Eve was not prayed to or worshipped either.
Your interpretation of Catholic teaching is irrelevant.
The Church teaches that we can ask the saints in heaven to pray for us. The Bible reveals the saints in heaven presenting our prayers to God.
“And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.”
The real question is, Where is Luther’s doctrine of Sola Scriptura in the Bible?
Nowhere.
BpB...I agree. I also find a lot of catholic postings controversial.
However, I like the discussions. I learn from them.
If Catholicism cannot stand up to the light of day and catholics call for removal of this thread that tells me they're worried about something.
You always know when you're over the target as that's where the flak's the heaviest!
Christ gave us the example of referring to Scripture when He said..."It is written...."
When Satan was tempting Him, Jesus refuted Satan with Scripture. It's also telling that Satan knew Scripture, yet he misquoted or omitted parts to serve his purpose.
That's why we should always look at Scripture in context.
The part about worshiping Mary.
It finally dawned on me why you don’t “compare and contrast” Protestant and Catholic teaching - it’s because, as I said before, there is no “Protestant teaching”.
What you’re actually doing is following Alinski’s “Rules for Radicals”, where you’re trying to “pick a target, freeze it, polarize it”.
You’re butthurt over another thread, so you’ve posted one that suits your ego. Nice. Way to keep FR classy.
Here's a link to the Catechism. Prove it.
The Church teaches that we can ask the saints in heaven to pray for us.
You need to change churches then.
The real question is, Where is Luther’s doctrine of Sola Scriptura in the Bible?
All throughout it, if you read it. 2 Tim. 3:16,17 "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."
You're right...there isn't any protestant teaching.
There is however Biblical teaching v catholicism.
You remember the Bible....it's the Book catholics claim they wrote yet refuse to appeal to it.
I am always curious about why non-Catholics care so much about what Catholics do, say and believe.
Being a practicing Catholic is a free will choice if it is not your cup of tea for whatever reason that is fine, but while people may claim devotion to Mary conjures the demonic are you sure the demonic isn’t inspiring those who degrade Christ’s mother?
I don’t see too many threads around here started by Catholics with titles like...Protestants destined for hell for only eating grape juice and toast instead of the Eucharist.
I could turn that question around to you. I see lots of articles on this site espousing the virtues of Catholicism while putting down non-catholics. Why?
All I did was to ask a question, provide Biblical references and compare them to Catholicism's teachings to see if they square. They don't.
Catholics don't like it. I can't help that. A lot of people don't like the Word when compared to their worldview.
To your point, it is your choice to accept this information or to discount it.
All I ask is to look at the information with an open mind and compare the teachings of Catholicism regarding Mary with what's found in the Bible.
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