Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[ealgeone]

>salvation by hoping your good works outweigh your bad works<

.. is not Catholic teaching. We are saved by grace of God alone.

you're in contradiction of the rcc from what I've seen on this board.

[verga]

As opposed to the brilliance of "Mary is Dead" and "Seven Churches in Asia"

Let me send you $2 so you can buy a new string for your guitar and have 2 notes instead of one.

[Mrs. Don-o]

THank you or this movie!

[Mrs. Don-o]

No, actually, as I understand it, a catechism issued from Rome is actually a new thing, i.e. in the last few centuries. I have not familiarized myself with the whole history of catechism, but I do know that earlier catechisms were generally not promulgated out of Rome for the use of the whole church, but were published by bishops for their own dioceses. The Didache (which was a first-generation work, written before 100 AD) would be the earliest example--- maybe even earlier than the Apostles' Creed.

The AP was the basis for most subsequent catechetical materials: the catechism consisted of the creed taken line-by-line, with an explanation of each line. Many catechisms followed that up with the Creed + the Seven Sacraments + the Ten Commandments + the Eight Beatitudes --- the present "Catechism of the Catholic Church" (1997) pretty much follows that pattern, which you will see if you skim over the Table of Contents

Before the present Catechism, a lot of dioceses relied on the "Baltimore Catechism," which was approved by U.S. Bishops in the late 1800s.

[CynicalBear]

Thank you for that daniel1212. It’s amazing to me the amount of double speak Catholics have to engage in to somehow justify their reliance on their Magisterium.

[CynicalBear]

>>Because, Kecharitomene! Luke 1:28. It's either true, or the angel didn't know what he was talking about.<<

Referring to a post full of errors does not now make it true.

>>Because, Revelation 12! She's portrayed as being in Heaven<<

No it does not as has been shown many times on these pages.

>>Just about every Marian prophecy, type, or foreshadowing in the Old Testament speaks either of her Motherhood, her sinlessness, or her being raised to the King's right hand.<<

Only in the paganism of Catholicism.

>>That's something so few people have even looked into: the wealth of Mary-related prophecy in the Old Testament.<<

Send us to a site that has so many errors of scripture is not helping your case. Let me give you one example. The site includes this phrase. "In fact, we argue as Catholics “the woman” to represent the people of God down through the centuries, whether Old Covenant Israel or the New Covenant Church, “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16)." They use that to attempt to show that the "church" has superseded the nation of Israel. But when we look to the Greek text we find this.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Nice subtle word change ey? If I said "peace to you, and to your husband" would you think I was claiming you both were the same person? That word change by the Catholic Church is nothing less then Satanic.

To put ones unquestioning faith in the Catholic Church will not lead to a happy ending. God said "come out of her my people" for a reason.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I just did! Maybe you should work on thinking of the implications of the Scriptures you have. Did you view the video?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ummm.

And they were corrected by their Catholic Bishop ---- St. John.

Correction. We're never through with it. Ecclesia semper reformanda.

[CynicalBear]

>>I would dearly love to get into a good discussion on the Ordinary Magisterium<<

I'm thinking not compared to scripture as we have it in the original Greek you wouldn't. I just showed you just one instance of them being way off base.

[Mrs. Don-o]

No, not at all like the Book of Mormon. The Mormons claim that their so-called Scriptures are God-authored ipsissimi verbi. On a par with the Gospels. The Catholic Church makes no such claims: in fact,it is the teaching of the Catholic Church that the canon of Scriptures and the era of direct Public Revelation closed with the death of the last Apostle.

But since you don't think that the Catholic Church has the authority to say the canon is closed --- not to put words in your mouth --but would you want to assert that people still have the option of adding or removing books of Scripture?

And by whose authority?

[Mrs. Don-o]

No Marian apparition, or any other private revelation, is doctrinally binding. It is not a source of doctrine. No one is obliged to believe in it, not even those to whom the purported revelation was personally given.

There.

Just so you know.

[Mrs. Don-o]

And a partridge in a pear tree.

[Mrs. Don-o]

2 Timothy 3:15-17

And because from thy infancy
thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which can instruct thee to salvation,
by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture, inspired of God,
is profitable to teach,
to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,
That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

This is a very important Scripture. It would be a good idea for each and every one of us memorize it.

It is not, however, in any sense a support for "sola" Scriptura. There's no "sola" in it, and it could not even mean or imply or logically entail "sola," since that would contradict what St. Paul said when he instructed his Thessalonian n00bie Christians on the necessity of Apostolic Tradition:

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2:15).

Either by word of mouth or letter.

[StoneWall Brigade]

They shall know the truth.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I like that answer!!

[Mrs. Don-o]

TYPOOOOO

I mean, thank you FOR this movie!

[Mrs. Don-o]

No, I don’t agree with our assessment on that.

[CynicalBear]

>>No, I don’t agree with our assessment on that.<<

I'm not surprised. I show you a direct corruption by the Catholic Church of what is found in scripture and you "don't agree". Amazing!

[CynicalBear]

>>Not taught in the Bible, perhaps,<<

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

Is there another infallible source for what the apostles taught?