Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
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Hebrew OT: WLC (Consonants Only)Now, how did that matter? Genesis 3:15 is known to have variants? I'd love to know that, -- as any lover of St. Jerome would.This text began as an electronic transcription by Whitaker and Parunak of the 1983 printed edition of Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (BHS). The transcription is called the Michigan-Claremont electronic text and was archived at the Oxford Text Archive (OTA) in 1987. Since that time, the text has been modified to conform to the photo-facsimile of the Leningrad Codex, Firkovich B19A, residing at the Russian National Library, St. Petersberg; hence the change of name. This version contains all 6 of the textual elements of the OTA document: consonants, vowels, cantillation marks, "paragraph" (pe, samekh) markers, and ketib-qere variants. Morphological divisions may be added later.
The BHS so-called "paragraph" markers (pe and samekh) do not actually occur in the Leningrad Codex. The editors of BHS use them to indicate open space deliberately left blank by the scribe. Pe ("open" paragraph) represents a space between verses, where the new verse begins on a new column line. This represents a major section of the text. Samekh ("closed" paragraph) represents a space of less than a line between verses. This is understood to be a subdivision of the corresponding "open" section. Since these markers represent an actual physical feature of the text, they have been retained.
The transcription was based on the "Supplement to the code manual for the Michigan Old Testament" by Alan Groves.
The WLC is maintained by the Westminster Hebrew Institute, Philadelphia, PA (http://whi.wts.edu/WHI)
Sword module maintained by Martin Gruner (mg dot pub at gmx dot net).
Imported from the CrossWire Bible Society's "The Sword Project" Bible Modules.
Septuagint/LXX/Greek Old Testament.
Containing Joshua B, Judges B, Daniel OG, Tobit BA, Susan OG, and Bel & the Dragon OG.
Derived From the following CCAT data sets:
LXXM = The morphologically analyzed text of CATSS LXX prepared by CATSS under the direction of R. Kraft (Philadelphia team).
and
PAR = Parallel Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek texts of Jewish Scripture, based on the Michigan-Claremont BHS consonantal text and the TLG LXX, created by the CATSS project under the direction of E. Tov (Jerusalem team). This data base currently is in a provisional form that will undergo continued modification as the CATSS project proceeds to its goals. Portions of PAR can be supplied by special arrangement.
which in turn derived from:
LXX = Septuaginta, ed. A. Rahlfs (Stuttgart: WŸrttembergische Bibelanstalt, 1935; repr. in 9th ed., 1971).
An excerpt from the CCAT Readme follows. See here for the original.
READ ME File for CCAT Diskettes (version 1.0 [11/7/86 rak]) (adapted for Macintosh files [7/4/87 jct], revised 12/16/88)
The point remains that the suggestion that "seed" will crush the head of a serpent which is near a woman's heel, -- which is well capable of crushing serpents, -- does look like a copyist error to anyone not familiar with the person of Christ, -- which Jewish copyists were.
Sweetheart, what may look like a “point” to you probably did not look like one to me. When I see you posts I look for presence of uppercase with exclamations and question marks, see if it contains something like a legitimate question or at least finished grammar, and typically move on. If you really made a “point” kindly tell me which post number or just repeat it. If instead you want to chat and play word games, get yourself something on your cell phone and leave me alone.
You may be entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
No, those are the facts.
He left the Catholic Church to become a Protestant/Evangelist.
And then become a leader of a cult.
Which of these Protestant/Evangelical denominations, sects, or cults do you consider not really Protestant or Evangelical ?
And just what would any of them being Protestant or Evangelical prove according to Roman reasoning? Care to answer?
Talk tomorrow by God's grace.
He was a Protestant/Evangelical pastor evangelist who formed a new Protestant/Evangelical faith group, happens every year. I think many of them are cults too. That is why I ask obsessive antiCatholics which of them they belong to. I occasionally get a straight answer. Most of the time, a denial, a denial, a denial.
No, it is your opinion. I listed the facts about Pastor/Evangelist Manalo.
I see a downward trend here...
One can travel to Asia, and see the RUINS of seven early CATHOLIC churches.
They were preaching ERROR from the getgo!
Poorly catechized Catholics have been around since DAY ONE!
Of course not!
It's in Missouri!
How sweet!
Doesn't like the presentation, so can IGNORE any facts!!!!!
(I forgot BOLD!)
I only knew one (I hope there are more) person, ever to come out of the INC and get saved. There are a whole bunch more that leave the catholic church, like me, and come to know the truth about Jesus Christ, but the INC seems to have a death grip on these people, and getting them out of the Philippines first, is necessary. She and her family were personal friends with Erano Manalo, not Felix because he died when she was a toddler, and Erano took over. Ka Erdy they called him. She told me that calling him a pastor, or evangelist, are not words she would use to describe him. She called him a shrewd businessman, out to make merchandise of the people, in an organization masquerading as a religion, anything but evangelical. I hesitate to even call it a religion. I don’t agree with catholic doctrine, but INC doctrine is even worse than catholic doctrine. Have we ever heard of anyone making merchandise of the people before? And I am not just referring to INC and Quiboloy only.
Certainly. Watch some fund raising tactics of certain so-called health and wealth preachers. And you have the business of indulgences Luther protested.
I was trying to recall where it was that I canme across this outfit a few years ago. It finally came to me that the name came up in David Cloud's Friday News emails from the Fundamental Baptist Information Services (FBIS) arm of his Way Of Life site. His work takes up not only soul-winning, but soul-warning, alerting his coterie of spiritual phonies out there. Are you familiar with the site:
???
I was a regular subscriber and supporter of that ministry for quite a while, several years ago. But keeping up with it and the negativity sense got too much for me. Not that I am against his work, but it must be kind of wearing on one. Cloud is a very solid faithful man, missionary to the far East and Nepal, and a prolific author and researcher. I met him a few years ago at the annual meeting of the Dean Burgon Society.
But if the path one took in leaving one faith for another means the original faith was correct, then those who left Protestant faith for a path leading to a Catholic faith are wrong. And you have testimonies of Protestants doing so. And they are wrong, but not due to that logic.
You have many Caths who leave that faith for another every year, but which you would not allow to impugn Rome.
It is not the path that necessarily determines the validity of the final destination, as some take a long path to what both of us would consider a good church, or a wrong one. What one leaves for another is the issue.
And though a path may not be straight, in this case we see the opposite of upward progression, as none of those churches are Evangelical in it historical sense (one may be evangelical within such) unless the Presbyterian one he went to was, as the Methodist Episcopal Church is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination in North America, as is the Disciples of Christ , and which is not the Christian Missionary Alliance as you stated, and which even allow Jim Jones to be part of its loose clan.
Finally he goes cultic, as while the SDA, though conservative, yet it is fundamentally elitist (though it has an ecumenical sect), and historically has been so, with and its denial of eternal torment and insistence on the necessity of keeping the seventh day sabbath and dietary laws is contended against by evangelical ministries and places them outside the camp of classic evangelism.
And there is the idea that historical descent equates to assured veracity, and that it necessarily must thus be wrong to disagree with leadership and leave when rejected in order to keep historical faith, but which idea cannot be sustained. The validity of Truth claims rests upon Scriptural substantiation, not historical pedigree.
Certainly. Watch some fund raising tactics of certain so-called health and wealth preachers. And you have the business of indulgences Luther protested.
Yep, I am not into the televangelists much either. I think many of them are in it for the money. And another thing. My opinion is that Martin Luther would be spinning in his grave if he knew some people would take his name and make a denomination out of it. Somehow, I do not think that is something he wanted.
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