[daniel1212]

He was a Protestant/Evangelical pastor evangelist who formed a new Protestant/Evangelical faith group, happens every year.

But if the path one took in leaving one faith for another means the original faith was correct, then those who left Protestant faith for a path leading to a Catholic faith are wrong. And you have testimonies of Protestants doing so. And they are wrong, but not due to that logic.

You have many Caths who leave that faith for another every year, but which you would not allow to impugn Rome.

It is not the path that necessarily determines the validity of the final destination, as some take a long path to what both of us would consider a good church, or a wrong one. What one leaves for another is the issue.

And though a path may not be straight, in this case we see the opposite of upward progression, as none of those churches are Evangelical in it historical sense (one may be evangelical within such) unless the Presbyterian one he went to was, as the Methodist Episcopal Church is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination in North America, as is the Disciples of Christ , and which is not the Christian Missionary Alliance as you stated, and which even allow Jim Jones to be part of its loose clan.

Finally he goes cultic, as while the SDA, though conservative, yet it is fundamentally elitist (though it has an ecumenical sect), and historically has been so, with and its denial of eternal torment and insistence on the necessity of keeping the seventh day sabbath and dietary laws is contended against by evangelical ministries and places them outside the camp of classic evangelism.

And there is the idea that historical descent equates to assured veracity, and that it necessarily must thus be wrong to disagree with leadership and leave when rejected in order to keep historical faith, but which idea cannot be sustained. The validity of Truth claims rests upon Scriptural substantiation, not historical pedigree.

[Springfield Reformer]

And there is the idea that historical descent equates to assured veracity

Yep, genetic fallacy on steroids.  If applied consistently by the RC, it would mean there is no such thing as Protestantism, as no alternate root is acknowledged other than Catholic, and if every branch must be categorized according to its predecessor branch (Catholic only begets Catholic, Protestant only begets Protestant), then no branches can be actual breaks with the root. Ipso facto there are no Protestants! :)

BTW, for the record AF, I am describing a fallacy.  The path of logic described above produces irrational, false results.  The measure of an organization's claim to a belief label is the content of its belief system.  Therefore, please do not assume I actually believe we are all Catholic.  We are not.  But neither is every non-Catholic a Protestant.  That's just ludicrous. Belief content is how one should use "belief content" labels. But that assumes said labels are in fact descriptors of belief content, and that's a problem if one is used to using labels simply for organizational pedigree.  Which is no doubt why we go round and round on this. The two sides are using the same words with two sets of definitions.  What else can result but frustration and confusion?

Peace,

SR

[af_vet_1981]

And though a path may not be straight, in this case we see the opposite of upward progression, as none of those churches are Evangelical in it historical sense (one may be evangelical within such) unless the Presbyterian one he went to was, as the Methodist Episcopal Church is a mainline Protestant Christian denomination in North America, as is the Disciples of Christ , and which is not the Christian Missionary Alliance as you stated, and which even allow Jim Jones to be part of its loose clan.

1. Yes, I see a correction under the source, yet other sources claim Manalo as a former member of CMA, as they do some others who are rather embarrassing. Similarly, Manalo is listed as a former member of United Church of Christ in the Philippines, which was somehow joined by the Disciples of Christ there, although Manalo seemed connected to DoC by one of their sponsored missionary couples who later went Independent, at least for a while. The history of the Protestant/Evangelical denominations, faith groups, sects, and yes, cults is a maze. I see no upward progression that lasts very long in any of them, more of continual splits, mergers, splits, apostasies, heresies, etc.
2. AnonymousDecember 26, 2008 at 6:17 AM SOME CORRECTIONS: CMA or Christian Missionary Alliance is different from United Christian Missionary Society of the CHURCH OF CHRIST(Disciples of Christ, USA)which is commonly called CHRISTIAN CHURCH (DISCIPLES). CMA is another denomination where Manalo was then a member. Church of Christ Disciples is actually voted to be apart of the United CHURCH OF CHRIST in the Philippines but some did not and voted to be an independent CHURCHES OF CHRIST. The Disciples are common in the Tagalog Region wherein it was also called IGLESIA NI CRISTO and they are actually Tagalog congregation just like the IGLESIA NI CRISTO established by Manalo.CMA actually believed in Baptism by immersion but the Disciples believe that Baptism through immersion (alone) is essential for salvation - this is another belief Manalo retained in his IGLESIA.
   
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   As I said Christian Missionary Alliance is another denomination and is still existing today as the present Christian Missionary Alliance of the Philippines (CAMACOP)(http://www.camacop.org/). Leslie and Carrie Wolfe were once affiliated in the United Christian Missionary Society of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH(Disciples of Christ, USA).

[af_vet_1981]

You have many Caths who leave that faith for another every year, but which you would not allow to impugn Rome. It is not the path that necessarily determines the validity of the final destination, as some take a long path to what both of us would consider a good church, or a wrong one. What one leaves for another is the issue.

Now apply these thoughts and this model to the Gentiles who wandered from the holy catholic apostolic churches in the First Century.