Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
Well that puts the Catholic Church right in there with the likes of Balaam's donkey.
When I was at Laughlin AFB, in Del Rio by golly Texas, I met one of the supposedly best authorities on Mormonism. He was a retired USAF E-9. It was his opinion that ole Joe Smith was a teller of tall tales, and concocted this whole Book of Mormon thing, as just a story, with the hope of selling it, to make money, and it got away from him and a new religion began. If that is true, and it may very well be, I would say that is a classic example of people having itching ears. If this doctrine did not come from God, then I have an idea where it DID come from.
Once again when all of scripture is taken into context and the original language consulted and put into perspective the selective use of individual verses is shown to be seeds for error. Of course the clear intent of the origin of this subject was an attempt to silence the messenger rather then address the content of the message.
Shakin’ the dust off’n my feet Placemarker
I wonder if that is the reason the times were called the dark ages?
Can one be saved apart from he BOdy of Christ?
Because that is the first implication of Protestant faith.
I was not using Protestant Hermeneutics. I used reason to clarify misunderstanding. I did not use obfuscation to prevent understanding.
(I'm not looking for a long explanation here. I already accepted the explanation. So, peace.)
The "Gay Christians" --- I'm not blaming you --- are using exactly the same historico-critical method to deconstruct the Pauline texts on homosexuality. This is not exactly pleasant reading, but I urge you to check it out:
Gay Scriptural Cultural interpretation (LINKS)
If you read the top article that comes up from the link, check out the rest of that gaychristian101.com website. As you can see, they are very enthused about Scripture.
You mean I should die in 2015 and be saved? :)
I wish to see you in the Family of God soon.
teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. (Matthew 28:19-20)
We do not add to the scripture. We teach some things from the scripture and other things from the Holy Ghost directly.
And surely no mention of Protestants...
So you just voided
Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. (John 6:54-55)
I woke up and got on FR this morning to find I've got about 40 messages from y'all --- I mean, ALL y'all (plural) --- in my queue. I might could do rough justice to about two of them today, but I do have other things to do, including organizing a Rosary Vigil this Saturday at our nearest Planned Parenthood.
I just wanted you to know I'm neither ignoring nor evading you. Nor even failing to sincerely appreciate you.
Do you suppose you could gather up all your comments, turn them into a Reader's Digest condensed book, and send it to me along with an executive summary?
(Just kidding!)
OH! And I've been forgetting. Somewhere in this 5,000+ thread I promised I'd never post on Mary unless I also put in a picture. Since this is still a Mary thread, I am honoring her and her Divine Son, Savior, and Lord, with this lovely and unusual image from the Cathedral of Nagasaki:
I hope you all spend a good day in equally good company. God bless you.
Because that is the first implication of Protestant faith.
LOL! The Catholic hermeneutic at work. No nasty ol' context necessary, just pluck out a disembodied quote of one poster misquoting another poster, and viola, the text, even of FR posts, can give foth whatever enters the imagination. How magical. I rest my case. The reasonable reader need see no more.
Mrs. D, you can explain to him what happened. I think he isn't interested, but he's obviously not paying attention to what I'm actually saying, so maybe he'll listen to you.
BTW, Mrs D, I know your error was innocent, no harm no foul. :)
God bless you,
SR
“give foth” should be “give forth” — oh the perils of being imperfect. :)
Yet, there they were, kicking in heads and bashing faces of both musicians and foolish fans. It now seems obvious to me that your name dropping with respect to Altamont did not mean you actually knew or belonged to that particularly violent club, members or prospects, and so could not possibly have learned of eyewitness accounts from Sonny himself. Since you were not in the club you would not have visited him, or as you took it, been in residence with him. I take it your claim to research was possibly just the same accounts, articles, and books anyone can find with google, yet that conflicts with your complaint about the mass media.
Barger exemplifies the culture clash that took place at Altamont. The Angels, some of them Vietnam veterans, had no time for hippies. “I ain’t no peace creep,” Barger said on KSAN-FM, spitting out the words. Barger, in fact, had made headlines in 1965 when he and some other Angels broke up an anti-Vietnam demonstration in Berkeley, California.
“They didn’t cotton well to the hippie culture,” Altman says of the Angels. “Drugged-up people got up into their faces, and a couple of bikes got knocked over, and the Hell’s Angels got violent.”
The hippies, face-to-face with the brutality of the Angels, responded the only way they knew how. After almost every scuffle caught on film, there are people holding up a peace sign.
Some of the Angels seemed to take their role as security seriously. In some of the later footage there is an Angel with glasses sitting stoically by the foldback speakers on the edge of stage, looking like he’d rather be just about anywhere else. And it’s a very sober looking Angel - the one who gives Jagger the up-and-down look of contempt (“that’s the former president of the San Francisco Hells Angels,” Cutler says) - who yanks the psychotic-looking bearded man off the stage.
It was Sonny Barger who, speaking on KSAN the day after the concert, first explained to a mystified public how the Angels became stage security. “They told me, if I could sit on the stage so nobody could climb over me, you know, I could drink beer until the show was over,” he said.
Barger’s account of Altamont needs to be taken with a grain of salt. He claims, for example, to have held a gun against Keith Richards on stage, telling him to ‘Keep playing, or you’re dead’ – a claim nobody, least of all Richards, has ever substantiated.
But what about his account of the security arrangement? Hadn’t Cutler ‘hired’ the Angels for no other reason than to secure the power supply?
Cutler’s book paints a scene of rapidly disintegrating control, against a shrinking security contingent. The Stones’ own security, made up of off-duty New York cops, numbered about five. Monck says “there couldn’t possibly have been more than six; there were probably three”. Cutler says that early in the afternoon they made it plain to him that they weren’t about to risk their lives trying to deal with ‘those crazy biker dudes’. Their job was to protect the Stones, nothing else.
There were uniformed police at Altamont, too, but only a handful on or near the stage. Police are almost entirely absent from any of the documentary footage, except for two who can be seen on stage during the Stones’ performance. In Cutler’s account, most of the few police allocated to the festival were busy with traffic control, trying to keep the road clear for emergency vehicles. One policeman who was backstage told Cutler he had been trying to call for backup for an hour. “We don’t have enough manpower to deal with these punks. These guys are psychos,” he told Cutler.
Altman, trying not freak out on his LSD trip while doing his job as a photographer, remembers warily keeping an eye on the guys with the pool cues. “I distinctly remember, and I was a little bit high, that it was this bad wave that kept circling out, like ripples in a pond. It just spread out,” he says.
Scully says contributing to the violence was the fact that for most of the day the Angels were leaderless. “The Angels’ leaders were all having an argument in Oakland about whose turf it was, and who should be in charge,” he says. “Meanwhile all the prospects, who weren’t fully Hells Angels, were fully out of control with pool cues.” Maysles says the Angels’ “normal commander in chief was not available and his substitute was inexperienced”.
By the time the actual Angels ‘officers’ did arrive, Scully says, the situation was already out of control. “The Angels simply took care of things the only way they knew how.” The “full-on” Angels’ dramatic arrival late in the day, in which they cut a swathe through the enormous crowd with their motorbikes, is caught on film - as is the tension when one of the motorbikes, parked in front of 300,000 people by the stage, gets knocked over by the crowd.
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