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To: annalex; Mrs. Don-o; aMorePerfectUnion; CynicalBear
Why do you say Jesus "doesn't set the model for us"?

Because that is the first implication of Protestant faith.

LOL! The Catholic hermeneutic at work. No nasty ol' context necessary, just pluck out a disembodied quote of one poster misquoting another poster, and viola, the text, even of FR posts, can give foth whatever enters the imagination. How magical. I rest my case. The reasonable reader need see no more.

Mrs. D, you can explain to him what happened. I think he isn't interested, but he's obviously not paying attention to what I'm actually saying, so maybe he'll listen to you.

BTW, Mrs D, I know your error was innocent, no harm no foul. :)

God bless you,

SR

5,416 posted on 01/07/2015 8:14:45 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

“give foth” should be “give forth” — oh the perils of being imperfect. :)


5,417 posted on 01/07/2015 8:22:56 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; Mrs. Don-o; aMorePerfectUnion; CynicalBear
disembodied quote

Well, I expected a response of the kind that He is God and we are not, and you indeed clarified. But my impression remains that because of the lack of spiritual practice in the company of saints Protestantism indeed develops in its adherents a sense of distance between Jesus and us sinners. The saints are dead, the divine guidance died with the last evangelist; Jesus, God that He is, would not want even His mother with Him in Heaven; the Holy Scripture, -- His love letter to us -- is filled with "minefields" that only an academician can comprehend. That is not an attractive set of traits.

5,488 posted on 01/07/2015 7:25:39 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Springfield Reformer; annalex
I do think we should not impute malice, laziness or dishonesty to each other in the matter of quotes. (Not that malice, laziness and dishonesty don't exist, but that should not be our assumption. It's something to examine our own consciences about. )

All quotes are (in a sense) out of context and cherrypicked, simply since we all do select them on the basis of their support for our argument. A quote that seems ambiguous or which seems to counteract our claim, we are motivated to bolster with context so it shows what we think is "only the Gospel Truth", or we use context to prove it doesn't mean what people thought it meant.

It's truly difficult, sometimes, to get to the truth, even for the honest and learned, and of course if somebody IS dishonest, it throws a monkey-wrench into the works.

From my point of view, for instance, it always seems like the Protestant brethren's interpretations of Scriptures related to the Church, the Eucharist, and Mary, aim not to explain them, but to explain them away. But I reckon these same brethren would be sincerely astonished by this POV, and would give back a big tu quoque! when it comes to oh-so-clear Scriptures about the all-sufficiency of Faith all by itself --- so sadly neglected by the papists!!

And of sermonette.

:o)

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5,517 posted on 01/08/2015 7:39:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What unites us all, of any race, gender, or religion, is that we all believe we are above average.)
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