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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: Springfield Reformer; Elsie
"...the context for this statement is not that of disembodied souls, waiting fro the resurrection, but those who have actually been raised."

Jesus speaks directly, specifically, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by name. Are you saying they had been bodily raised?

As for Mary having died. She might have. I don't know. That has not been dogmatically defined in the Catholic Church.

5,181 posted on 01/05/2015 5:45:02 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: metmom

Comment (C): How about answering the questions instead of answering with more questions?

Response (R): Having never said that Paul handed on tradition that was not mentioned in Scripture, I do not have an answer to your questions.

C: I doubt all Bible scholars agree with your assessment.

R: I’m not sure what you mean by my assessment, but I agree that not all Bible scholars agree with it. There is very little with which all bible scholars are in agreement.

C: Catholics like to claim that Scripture was written from oral tradition some hundreds of years after the events happened, and yet the oldest manuscripts show that to not be the case. They date back to the time of the apostles.

R: I am not one of those Catholics. I agree with you that the Gospels were written shortly after Jesus’ death.

C: So the whole attempt to turn it around doesn’t work.

R: I am not attempting to turn anything around. I am honestly looking for answers about the origin of the gospels. And I can assure you I am not attacking God’s words. I have two sons who are non-believers, and anything I can show them that supports the validity of the Gospels would be helpful.


5,182 posted on 01/05/2015 6:04:18 PM PST by rwa265
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To: Mark17; boatbums; metmom; Elsie; CynicalBear; imardmd1; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone
I most certainly do agree Mark!

Matthew 13:44 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field"

Anyone who believes Jesus at His word (and in His word) that "the truth shall set you free" will grab a shovel and start digging.The more the merrier you'd think.

Mind you,the digging isn't made any easier when you have to tip toe around in fear of spooking a herd of sacred cows.

Courtesy ping to those mentioned....standing over there with their picks and shovels!

Amidst the daily ton of snark in the RF,keep reading,everybody eventually reveals where they're coming from.Wether they mean to or not.

The folks pinged are a great encouragement to me and I've no doubt many others.

5,183 posted on 01/05/2015 6:12:31 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I could be they don’t tell us their ecclesial affiliation, because they think their church actually couldn’t bear much scrutiny. “

I’ve stated mine enough times on this forum. Others have as well. But...

... I am here to post about Christ, His indescribable gift of salvation to everyone who entrusts themselves to Him alone, and to point out errors that distort the Gospel of grace. Talking about denominations is irrelevant to that.

best and Happy New Year to you, Mrs. Don-o.


5,184 posted on 01/05/2015 6:26:35 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

Just WHO are the 'dead in Christ'?

5,185 posted on 01/05/2015 6:30:53 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Are you saying they had been bodily raised?

I've not said anything.

5,186 posted on 01/05/2015 6:32:14 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
I remember what I was taught. It was wrong. Only God can forgive sin and I don’t need another human being telling me that. God already told me in His word.

You were NEVER taught in the Catholic church that it was anyone except Christ who ever forgave a sin. Christ instituted the Sacrament of Penance or reconciliation when He empowered the Apostles saying "whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained....He merely set up a procedure where a Catholic (one who believes in EVERY WORD THAT CHRIST UTTERED) has a process whereby he/she confesses to God, through a priest (as He directed)...receives absolution as well as advice and direction and counseling.....that's what priests are trained to do.

5,187 posted on 01/05/2015 6:33:05 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: MamaB
That is pretty sick. They are not being told the truth.

yeah, they were indeed told the truth...by Christ..."whose sins that you shall forgive"....you know the rest. When the truth has been known and followed for 16 centuries...it is very difficult, nay, impossible to refute what Christianity has taught and believed for that period of time.

5,188 posted on 01/05/2015 6:39:19 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: bonfire
Wait...the priest INDEED forgives sins BUT God forgives your sins? Makes no sense.

When you quote someone, use the entire quote...I said that the priest forgives sins through the power of God....pay real close attention, it is the power of God through which sins are forgiven. A judge sentences you to 30 years in prison....not because he doesn't like you...it is through the power of the state that he can do that....See?, real easy when you pay attention!!

5,189 posted on 01/05/2015 7:04:09 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: Syncro
Oh my gosh! Talk about unarmed...LOL!

I never challenge, intellectually, anyone who is my superior....she did. LOL

5,190 posted on 01/05/2015 7:15:53 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: ealgeone

Protestant hermeneutics have one purpose: to teach your pastors how to lie about the Bible.


5,191 posted on 01/05/2015 7:24:27 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: af_vet_1981
I studied and researched this for years.

Unless your links go so some new news stories on this, I have read those.

I read the text you posted, years ago when it hit.

I know what happened there, you fall for the media's spin.

...."this violent motorcycle gang"

Quoted direct from the media.

I am defending the facts and have since the beginning. (1969)

You sure are harping on me about my personal life. Seems to be your main interest and is not allowed on the RF.

But here let me join in.

Are you a priest? Did you molest alter boys?

When you complain about this post being personal and off topic, be sure to ask to have yours pulled also...."this violent motorcycle gang"

Quoted direct from the media.

Your post that this reply is directed to, for documentation:

Did you even trace the link to the authors ? You are clueless. I'm still curious about your personal relationship with this violent motorcycle gang. Did you know Sonny ? In prison ?
Offensive insinuation bolded.
5,192 posted on 01/05/2015 7:24:37 PM PST by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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To: Elsie

That is a stupid proposition.


5,193 posted on 01/05/2015 7:25:27 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: boatbums
, do you also think women Freepers should just shut up about Religion Forum topics and submit to whatever a Freeper male asserts whether they agree with him or not?

ABSOLUTELY NOT...nor does any other Catholic....on the other hand, we do not subscribe to sola scriptura which you do and which teaches EXACTLY that....see the difference....sheesh

5,194 posted on 01/05/2015 7:29:11 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: boatbums; Elsie; metmom; af_vet_1981; Mrs. Don-o; Salvation
And the catholics claim their teachings never change. You know, the more I learn about catholicism, the more and more I am convinced it is a cult....and a massive one at that.

And apparently, you can buy the papacy!

Julius II (1503-1513): The nephew of Sixtus IV, and made cardinal by him at age 18. While a cardinal, he sired three daughters. With the aid of "substantial bribes and promises of ecclesiastical preferments," he won unanimous election to the Papacy in a one-day conclave.[19] Julius donned silver armor and led his armies across Italy to expand the Papal States. He gave Henry VIII, the King of England, a dispensation to marry his brother's widow, Catherine of Aragon. (The dispensation soon backfired. When Henry sought an annulment from his marriage to Catherine, Pope Clement VII refused. This led to the Anglican schism of 1534.) Julius laid the cornerstone of the new Basilica of St. Peter in 1506 — but made the fateful decision to cover the construction costs by selling indulgences. In the bull Cumtam divino, he also declared Papal elections invalid if gained through simony — an ironic ruling, given the circumstances of his own election.

Ironically, the sainted Pope Pius X reversed this decree. In the 1904 decree Vacante Sede Apostolica, Pius condemned simony, but held that this would not invalidate a Papal election. His successors did the same. John Paul II ruled in 1996 that "If — God forbid — in the election of the Roman Pontiff the crime of simony were to be perpetrated, I decree and declare that all those guilty thereof shall incur excommunication latae sententiae. At the same time I remove the nullity or invalidity of the same simoniacal provision, in order that — as was already established by my Predecessors — the validity of the election of the Roman Pontiff may not for this reason be challenged."[20]

5,195 posted on 01/05/2015 7:29:19 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Syncro; boatbums

Many Catholics consider all authentic apostolic Churches Catholics, so the Eastern Orthodox ARE Catholic at least in essentials.

But of course I can imagine someone simply being carried away in a Catholic-Protestant dispute.

Anyway, sorry for the typos and omissions. “Catholic are generally very well-disposed toward the Eastern Orthodox and find little to nothing to disagree with them theologically”.


5,196 posted on 01/05/2015 7:30:27 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Mark17
I enjoy reading posts from both of you. I do not care what anyone else thinks of that. I listen anyway.

you really should re-evaluate your religious training!!

5,197 posted on 01/05/2015 7:32:23 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: annalex

“Protestant hermeneutics have one purpose: to teach your pastors how to lie about the Bible.”

It is hard to know how to respond to a statement like this,
that is so totally lacking in an understanding about:

Protestant pastors
Hermeneutics
The Bible

I can only guess you do not have sufficient familiarity with any of these things, or you would not have posted something like this.

It also raises the question as to how many protestant pastors you know that you can generalize to a group of “30,000” different denominational rites...


5,198 posted on 01/05/2015 7:34:36 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: CynicalBear

Catholics have statues and icons in their Churches, as they always had since catacomb days.


5,199 posted on 01/05/2015 7:34:40 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Thanks for clearing up that sentence.

Oh and your first 2 sentences in the post I am responding to have nothing to do with me.

Noting you pinged someone else, I just want to clarify that.


5,200 posted on 01/05/2015 7:34:43 PM PST by Syncro (Benghazi-LIES/CoverupIRS-LIES/CoverupDOJ-NO Justice--Etc Marxist Treason IMPEACH!)
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