Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
First of all, Jesus was not an unclean animal...second, His command was to DO THIS......remembrance was merely the reason to DO THIS.....do this is an imperative sentence which issues a command....remembrance is the reason to obey the command.
Hence the admonition to ditch the false catholic talking points!
Which you describe as self-interpreted
I do not understand why they think confessing to a man gets sin forgiven. Only Jesus can do that so why not go directly to Him?
As a Catholic, you should remember that a priest does indeed forgive sins through the power of God. The priest says the words of absolution, but it is God who forgives the sin....remember now????
They think that because they've been raised having been taught that.
As for why hey are taught that, well, it's quite a racket the Catholic church has going there.
Convince people that their sins can only be forgiven through you and viola, job security and complete control of their lives to boot.
I remember what I was taught.
It was wrong.
Only God can forgive sin and I don’t need another human being telling me that. God already told me in His word.
I have HIS word for it, more sure and trustworthy than any priest.
That is pretty sick. They are not being told the truth.
By that interpretation you must also hold that the majority on FR RF is continually guilty of the body and blood of the LORD Jesus Christ every single day of the day, week, month, and year. Since these are sins unto death, we should expect the deaths of many souls, should that interpretation you propose be true.
The other salient point to consider is Paul wrote that they should keep the ordinances as he had already delivered them to the church in Corinth. That was apostolic tradition by word of mouth, teaching them precisely how to observe the communion of the bread and wine, the body and blood of The Lord. He did not leave detailed written instructions. He wrote to rebuke them for heresies and other sins unto death and to call them to repent and do it the way he had taught them, which he received from the LORD. In addition he brought to their remembrance other apostolic customs pertaining to men and women, and pointedly said if any were contentious, we (Jewish Apostles) had no such custom, nor do the genuine churches of God. Sola Scriptura and novel interpretations will not solve the problem if abandoning or never having apostolic tradition through hands on training, one generation to the next.
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
No you don't. You only regard it that way if it's a non-Roman Catholic who is trying to elucidate her beliefs. I seriously doubt you would have ANY problem at all accepting teaching from the women "doctors" of the Roman Catholic church like Catherine of Siena and Teresa of Avila. Then there were Térèse of Lisieux and Hildegard of Bingen. Nope, like much of what you assert here is, like I said, hot air. This faux faithfulness to Holy Scripture when it can be pushed out to hide behind so you can avoid having to actually defend your doctrines is blatantly obvious and fools no one. You aren't the first man to try it.
It makes me wonder if you ever let your wife read what you say to women you don't know on an Internet forum? Would she approve of you discussing religious topics for weeks on end with women and then, when you get stuck, you play the "do not suffer a woman to teach" card? Pitiful!
Wait...the priest INDEED forgives sins BUT God forgives your sins?
Makes no sense.
AMEN! Well said and repeated. Thank you.
Yes, it seems it centered on thinking about what Christ did in dying for our salvation as we partake in the ceremony of consuming a piece of bread and i bit of grape juice, but not on remembering that by showing that love toward each by the communal sharing (but not that the members come there looking to satisfy hunger).
Which "feast of charity" (Jude 12:12) i believe was a actual meal (how else could some be full, and others hungry?), not just a piece of bread, and seeing each other as being part of the body of Christ for whom He died, as precious as Caths. are sppsd to see the wafer, and lovingly sharing food with each other, feeding the body.
And which is to sppsd to be continuous expression towards the body as a distinct people, a holy nation. Kinda like those survival scenarios when everyone has to look out for each others. Instead we are too much like running parts. Not that i do not spend lots of time alone, and live rather independent, but see what we a sppsd to be.
Part of the problem is that the West fosters this lack of community, while persecution and lack of resources (its coming) are more conducive to community.
It's curious that the only time I've seen this tactic used on Free Republic is when it's Roman Catholic men arguing against non-Roman Catholic women. I think the non-RC Freeper men are much more confident in their theological beliefs and are respectful of fellow Freepers no matter what their gender. They don't have to act all "unsurped-like" to try to silence someone. Feminism has NOTHING to do with it as women Freepers are mainly all Conservatives. I can see why some Freepers refuse to identify their denomination and/or their gender - people like you will use whatever you can grab when you're desperate.
It's funny, AF-Vet, that you don't seem to mind the "teachings" of other women Roman Catholics here. I wonder where your consistency is - it's awfully selective?
Your objection duly noted. But as this represents a major topic shift, and has been asked and answered adequately many times on these pages, I am going to opt out of a full discussion of Sola Scriptura at this time, especially as the dispute over the Eucharist in which we presently engage assumes the authority of Scripture over the opinions of men, at least so far, and that’s OK with me.
Peace,
SR
I was just wondering the same thing.
I never saw so much as the slightest rebuke to all the female RC FReepers for THEIR participation on this forum.
And for all that nonsense about women not being in a place of authority, I sure hope they give up any idea of needing Mary to lead them to Jesus.
Queen of Heaven does sound a bit like a woman having authority over a man. Matter of fact, when Catholics start teaching that God can't tell Mary no, then it looks like they've hit a hypocrisy trifecta
Of course it does. I'm not going to debate with you about something as petty as that.
By media accounts I meant how the media covered the event.
All they wanted to do was to center in on the bad Hells Angels and the hippie movement.
One of whom stopped a guy who was pointing a gun at Jagger. It was loaded.
Yeah, just like the cops who kill someone to keep them from killing someone else, he could have tried to wrestle the gun away from him instead of stabbing him.
BTW, in spite of the biased media stories, he was acquitted of the murder charges.
No No
I don't have any unwanted body hair, thanks.
Have you read the book "Pearl of Great Price?"
Oh my gosh!
Talk about unarmed...LOL!
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