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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

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To: Elsie

Apparently they keep folks locked in their closets...


4,381 posted on 12/31/2014 10:45:01 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion
If there were any angles watching,

ANGELS I mean.

:-)

4,382 posted on 12/31/2014 10:49:52 AM PST by Mark17 (So gracious and tender was He. I claimed Him that day as my savior, this stranger of Galilee)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; verga

I echo verga’s sentiment. That was helpful for me so thank you.


4,383 posted on 12/31/2014 10:56:45 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Mark17

Perhaps an angular angel :-)


4,384 posted on 12/31/2014 10:58:40 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: FourtySeven; verga

You’re welcome. Thank Voris for so often hitting the nail square on the head.


4,385 posted on 12/31/2014 11:02:12 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Would the below summarize the head of this nail which you write of?


4,386 posted on 12/31/2014 11:13:56 AM PST by BlueDragon (just the facts, ma'am)
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To: miss marmelstein; Syncro

We have plenty of respect for the Mary of Scripture.

We don’t believe all the extra nonsense taught about her by the Catholic church that has no Scriptural support.

And not believing unsubstantiated rumors about people does not equate to disrespecting them. On the contrary, it is out of respect that we believe about her only what it true, that which we know for sure as has been revealed to us by the Holy Spirit.


4,387 posted on 12/31/2014 11:15:09 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie

You are so correct.

See tagline.....


4,388 posted on 12/31/2014 11:16:58 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear

Makes you just want to go running right into the *loving* arms of the Catholic church, doesn’t it?


4,389 posted on 12/31/2014 11:21:05 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: annalex

....”The saints are with me in my closet. They should be in yours, too, if you want your prayer to be effective”...

There are hundreds of prayers and passages about prayer in scripture, and NONE of them instruct prayers to the departed. The scriptures forbid attempting to contact them.....

.....there is not one verse of the scripture in the New Testament anywhere which authorized anybody to intercede with God after death.

The bible is specific that speaking to those who have departed the earth is forbidden...period. (Deut.18)


4,390 posted on 12/31/2014 11:21:50 AM PST by caww
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To: metmom

Read over some others’ posts to see that respect in action. I especially liked the word one of them used: frigid. You should be chiding these people but I’ll wait...


4,391 posted on 12/31/2014 11:23:54 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: Springfield Reformer
But if I say “my basement was flooded, and remains so to this day,” I have expressed the sense of the perfect tense, which establishes that some state occurred at a particular point in time, and though the action is complete, the effect continues until now.

How about, my basement was never flooded until after my wife gave birth?" Different word, but which normally denotes a terminus and infers a change, while God normally describes notable aspects that are departures from the norm (age, excess toes, talking animals, metal floating, dead rising, miraculous births and transport, extended virginity, sinlessness, etc.

Sound doctrine is not that of pleading the extraordinary with only silence from Scripture to support it. But with Rome presuming deity, she presumes she can call things that are not as if they are.

4,392 posted on 12/31/2014 11:24:57 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: annalex; WVKayaker; ealgeone

Whatever is in your closet ain’t saints. Or any other dead person.

It’s demonic which is especially easy to detect as it takes the focus off Jesus, whom we are to look to as the Author and Perfecter of our faith.


4,393 posted on 12/31/2014 11:25:56 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: annalex

....”The saints are with me in my closet. They should be in yours, too, if you want your prayer to be effective”...

There are hundreds of prayers and passages about prayer in scripture, and NONE of them instruct prayers to the departed. The scriptures forbid attempting to contact them.....

.....there is not one verse of the scripture in the New Testament anywhere which authorized anybody to intercede with God after death.

The bible is specific that speaking to those who have departed the earth is forbidden...period. (Deut.18)


4,394 posted on 12/31/2014 11:26:23 AM PST by caww
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To: annalex

They are works set up by Catholicism as its own works of its own law in lieu of the Law handed down by God at Mt Sinai.


4,395 posted on 12/31/2014 11:26:52 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: annalex

Not police station tactics and you may have faith, but no one is obligated to take the word of an anonymous internet poster without verification.


4,396 posted on 12/31/2014 11:27:50 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlueDragon
No. At least, it would require much qualification.

What I can say is that the Talmud is the basis for all codes of Jewish law and is more quoted in rabbinic literature than the Torah itself. The Orthodox and, to a lesser extent, Conservative Judaism accept the Talmud as authoritative.

Orthodox Judaism also continues to stress the importance of Talmud study as THE central component of Yeshiva curriculum, in particular for those training to become Rabbis.

Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism does not do this to the same degree; they place more emphasis on the study of the Torah or the whole Tanakh.

I have not studied Talmud, and anything you (or other FReepers) can add to my education would be appreciated!

4,397 posted on 12/31/2014 11:28:39 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (“The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” - Flannery O'Connor)
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To: daniel1212

Good point. Special pleading is a fallacy. As I noted elsewhere, it can be used to shift the burden of proof from trying to prove a positive assertion to making the other guy try to prove a negative, which is notoriously difficult and mostly a waste of time. Prove that there isn’t a tooth fairy. Huh? Because sometimes, you know, that quarter under the pillow is unexplained (cue the spooky music). Special pleading against Scripture is a blank check to fill in with any doctrine you like. What could possibly go wrong?

Peace,

SR


4,398 posted on 12/31/2014 11:57:10 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
No. At least, it would require much qualification.

Ok, that could be expected...

There is the State and political aspect of things.

Yet in response here, the focus did go directly right back to such as;

I can think of a few other, ah, groups who do very much the very same thing among themselves.

But then you of all people I am certain enough, recognized what the question I posed was fishing around to snag --- and to prompt --- reflection aimed now towards our own various ekklesia.

These groups (other than the Jews, whom were 'called out of Egypt') also do not seemingly wait all that much for God to fight for them, either --- yet it does seem to me that many of we Christians (myself included, to some extent) seem to expect more out of the Jews in Israel in this regard than for ourselves; having expectation & hope that if (should we dare say "when"?) they (Israel) were to throw their all upon God, and Him alone--- then He would act, and act mightily, fighting for them...

Yet knowing what I do of this "Old Testament" God, having encountered Him ---- I say "look out" because when heads begin to roll, if there is not the blood of the Passover lamb on the door lintels --- death will enter those doors also, into every household.

4,399 posted on 12/31/2014 12:08:24 PM PST by BlueDragon (just the facts, ma'am)
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To: ealgeone; annalex
Dude....you hit your head today? Your posts are out of context and make zero sense.

LOL!

Your reply was to this:

However, if you don't understand what "following Christ" means, Christianity apparently is not for you.
As you have noticed, when Catholics have no defense for their un-Biblical beliefs they attack posters and make things up.

(The flack analogy is very fitting.)

Especially those strong in their Faith in Jesus who depend on the Holy Spirit rather than a organization or the edicts of men.

Carry on fellow Christian.

4,400 posted on 12/31/2014 12:12:36 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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