Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[annalex]

Grace is not a result of works. Not faith — grace.

[annalex]

Being charitable IS following Christ. By the way, the St. Elizabeth in question is probably St. Elizabeth of Hungary who did charitable work in a hospital.

However, if you don't understand what "following Christ" means, Christianity apparently is not for you.

[annalex]

Meaning the subject or focus of the painting was Mary primarily.

Well, I don't know how to argue otherwise. The icon of Mary depicts Mary. What a surprise.

That is a very good depiction of the Dormition of Mary.

[annalex]

OK, you make no sense whatsoever. If you want to write your own letter and call it letter of James, I cannot stop you.

You did not notice the question tense in verse 24, and you don’t understand that if works made faith perfect then works are necessary for salvation as well.

[annalex]

To take a relic and heal the sick with it is already “keeping”; plus I don’t imagine after that the miraculous cloth was discarded as an empty pill bottle. What would they do if someone else gets sick?

[ealgeone]

Dude....you hit your head today? Your posts are out of context and make zero sense.

[annalex]

"χαρις" is root of "κεχαριτωμενη", professor. That almost everywhere in the New Testament is translated "grace", unless the topic is favor done by one human to another. Except in Luke 1 where it becomes, curiously, "favor".

[annalex]

St. Paul speaks of the body of Christ in 1 Cor 11:23-30 in the same way Christ himself spoke of it: as His literal body, not the Christian assembly.

[CynicalBear]

>>Israel has had no continuous existence, and could not observe this perpetually<<

Disobedience of the Israelites didn't change the commands or promises of God. The prophesy in Daniel was 490 years to the nation of Israel. There are 7 years of that prophecy left. Those who think the "church" has taken the place of Israel will never understand those prophesies.

[annalex]

And what? The Catechism and the councils teach salvation by grace alone, with which man must cooperate but which man does not and cannot produce.

[af_vet_1981]

1. Yes, if we regard Peter and the Jewish Apostles, the Jewish Prophets, and Messiah Himself as the chief cornerstone as the foundation of the holy catholic apostolic church and its magesterium.
2. So I was generally on target about Independent Fundamental Baptist theology.
3. I'll be grateful to remember your name tomorrow, much less everything you've written. If I forget I may ask again.
4. I don't like the question much but there are several good answers. One that comes to mind is from the Mass, Praying the Mass
   
   From Words To Prayers
   
   The priest and the congregation together respond to the invitation to “Behold the Lamb of God” with these words:
   Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, Mt 8:8 but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
   Just as the priest's exhortation is scriptural, the response is as well. It comes from the encounter between Jesus and the centurion found in Matthew 8. Our response is based on the response of the centurion to Jesus' recommendation that He should go to the centurion's house to heal the man's paralyzed servant.
   As [Jesus] entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, begging him and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, in terrible distress.” And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” But the centurion answered him, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” [...] Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment. (Mt 8:5-13)

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[annalex]

The works themselves are of God from God not us

Yes, but we make the decision to do them or not do them. Eph. 2:10 says we must do them. The decision is ours.

[metmom]

And Osteen doesn’t have 1.2 billion alleged followers.

[CynicalBear]

>>I do not think they are Christians if they believe this.<<

They certainly don't know the God of scripture if they can't tell the difference.

[annalex]

Now, the closet would not separate me from a saint in Heaven would it?

[annalex]

battalogēsēte - I chatter, am long-winded, utter empty (vain) words, stammer, repeat.

So where is your "repetition" in that?

[annalex]

by God's grace that we have been given faith.

... and what we do with it is our business. Someone might make "shipwreck concerning the faith" (1 Timothy 1:19)

[AbnSarge]

Osteen doesn’t deserve 1.2 billion followers

[annalex]

You are on a role!!

The expression is to be "on a roll".

Saint - Greek - hagios - set apart by (or for) God, holy, sacred.

Saint is all that, but holiness happens to someone to "takes up his cross" and follows Christ.