Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[metmom]

Yeah, we treat them reverently. We don’t dig up their remains and put them on display or build churches out of them.

We let them rest in PEACE.

[ealgeone]

You need not be catholic to be in Heaven??? You’ve made a change in catholic teaching. You realize that don’t you???

[metmom]

It wasn’t funny in the way you seem to think it was.

[rwa265]

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[metmom]

Sure He would.

He owes Mary nothing.

God is not beholden to any man or woman for anything.

[caww]

....... Jesus ....”present BODILY in every Catholic church in the world”.......

Correction....

Jesus is present ‘by His Spirit’ in the heart of ALL believers who have given Him their life and accepted His Salvation.

[af_vet_1981]

How does "conservative Baptists" not include IFB churches?

I thought you would know that more about that than me than me.

The short answer is conservative Baptist is used to describe Baptists which are in conventions that Independent and Fundamentalist regard as more Evangelical than Independent and Fundamental, ie., SBC or CBA.

Their characteristics are particularly due to two dividing lines—Fundamentalism and the means of denominational operation. Their Fundamentalism has made them strongly confessional, stressing both the fundamentals of the faith and dispensational premillennialism. They militantly oppose theological Liberalism and regard separation from groups which tolerate it as “redemptive.” Their condemnation of convention organizations and their emphasis on local church autonomy have led them to reject centralized denominational organizations. They have established general associations of churches with separate mission and educational organizations or pastor-led fellowships.

Because of their militancy, they have been prone to division. The Conservative Baptist Association, which began as a separatist fundamentalist group (today considered a conservative evangelical body), experienced division when a more militant group left, which today exists in nine separate regional fellowships or associations. The World Baptist Fellowship has experienced two divisions—the Baptist Bible Fellowship International separated in 1950, and the Independent Baptist Fellowship International in 1984.

Conservative Baptists is a name used to describe members of the Conservative Baptist Association of America (an association formed in 1947 at Atlantic City, New Jersey), used loosely as the larger "Conservative Baptist Movement", or used as a description of Baptists that hold a "conservative" viewpoint of theology in contrast to "liberals". The terminology is often applied to members of the Southern Baptist Convention, whose recent history has seen a struggle between "conservatives" and "moderates".

[metmom]

We worship the risen and glorified Christ. The one who appeared to John on the Island of Patmos.

[verga]

He owes Mary nothing.

Do you understand where babies come from?

[metmom]

What are those traditions to which Paul was referring?

How do you know they’re his and that they’ve been passed down faithfully, without corruption?

Where are they recorded and what are the sources you can point us to for verification purposes?

[verga]

What is your degree in? I am still waiting on that answer from you.

[af_vet_1981]

I wrote "Catholic" and you quote "catholic." Try to read this with an open mind and heart. Let it sink in.

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271 818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

[af_vet_1981]

If their only difference from the rest of what i said is baptizing them in the name of the Lord Jesus as the Son in the Trinity (versus sabellianism, and having to speak in tongues as in UPC) then they could be included.

It is unclear whether you are in fellowship with Pentecostals and Charismatics or not. Church of Christ ? Assemblies of God ? It seems to me quite a doctrinal contradiction with Independent Fundamental Baptists.

[terycarl]

." properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" ... to "do obeisance" .... suggests the willingness to make all necessary physical gestures of obeisance.".....

The men in the last picture are prostrating themselves to honor and adore Jesus...I think that they are about to receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders where they will be ordained priests....

It is a very impressive ceremony probably beyond the understanding of those who would deny that once ordained....these men will be among the chosen who can perform the Sacrament of the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ...

Very special indeed....

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Placemarker that doesn’t bow to dear Mary

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“It is a very impressive ceremony probably beyond the understanding of those who would deny that once ordained....these men will be among the chosen who can perform the Sacrament of the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ...”

I believe Father Luther participated in such a special ceremony...

[terycarl]

Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?....Luke 6:46

posted by a person who denies the Eucharist....

[terycarl]

People have crosses and objects of Mary in their homes but I have seen very few Bibles. Why is that? I find it very odd.

Crosses, statues, pictures etc. are decorative, Bibles are usually not....some are, most are not.

[metmom]

Hey, tc.....

Someone hijacked your account.

You need to talk to someone about their correct capitalization and punctuation in this post.....

[ealgeone]

What is your degree in??