Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Oh I have posted the quotes before, and you are right.
I got crickets.
Catholics don’t want it too spread around that Mary is now the central figure in Catholicism.
These pagan worshippers do likewise through their relics/idols...this is idoltry....so the difference is?
And Israel did as well....until God made it clear they were not to worship him the way the pagans do, not to make idols, or bow to them...rather to destroy them
Baptist trail of blood?
And I believe the true Church of Jesus Christ is invisible to the world's eyes. Individual members such as I may reveal myself, opening myself to one's vision, but no matter; I and the rest of the Body are secure on the Rock that is Christ, in a cleft of that Rock, under His wings of protection.
You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. (Matthew 5:14) I like this less-burdensome way of living better than these rigid and demanding RCC teachings and practices put forth on these FR threads for our consideration.
In other words truth is determined by what is personally preferred and that which is characterized as less burdensome.
Never could tell if buddha was a guy or a flat-chested gal.
they do it with Scripture so why not with other words??
....”Never could tell if buddha was a guy or a flat-chested gal”....
budda is male.....But there are Buddhist statues of females. Quan Yin is considered one of the highest deities. So when you see a statue of “The buddha” it may or may not actually be The Buddha, but could be a buddhist statue of a deity.
Didache 7:6 - "before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any others also who are able.
The Didache is a Catechism for adult converts. Infants aren't capable of fasting.
Don't do it
We used that on the race horses and used rubber gloves when doing so. Get some on your skin and you taste nothing but garlic for a day or two. And it's not the taste of good roasted garlic either.
http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056
This website bills itself as the source for information on catholicism. Can the catholic appeal to Scripture for this?
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture. But the term kecharitomene (full of grace ) serves only as an illustration, not as a proof of the dogma.
From the texts Proverbs 8 and Ecclesiasticus 24 (which exalt the Wisdom of God and which in the liturgy are applied to Mary, the most beautiful work of God's Wisdom), or from the Canticle of Canticles ( 4:7 , "Thou art all fair, O my love, and there is not a spot in thee"), no theological conclusion can be drawn. These passages, applied to the Mother of God , may be readily understood by those who know the privilege of Mary, but do not avail to prove the doctrine dogmatically, and are therefore omitted from the Constitution "Ineffabilis Deus". For the theologian it is a matter of conscience not to take an extreme position by applying to a creature texts which might imply the prerogatives of God.
Douay-Rheims and the Aramic Bible in English are the only two major translationstwo who continue to translate Luke1:28 as "full of grace".
Can there be an appeal to "tradition" from the ECFs?
From this summary it appears that the belief in Mary's immunity from sin in her conception was prevalent amongst the Fathers, especially those of the Greek Church. The rhetorical character, however, of many of these and similar passages prevents us from laying too much stress on them, and interpreting them in a strictly literal sense. The Greek Fathers never formally or explicitly discussed the question of the Immaculate Conception.
The catholic cannot appeal to Scripture based on their own admission.
The catholic cannot appeal to tradition based on their own admission.
What can they appeal to????
Still waiting......
Didache 7:7 and thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before.
The previous verse you posted was NOT talking about the one being baptized when it said "who are able".
I don’t know why they always do that. They answer with something that has nothing to do with the subject. Another thing they do is put out writings after the apostles were gone as if that holds the same weight as scripture. We know from Revelations that already when John was still alive some of the assemblies “churches” had gone off track. I don’t care if it was written 10 days after John died. If it came from someone in one of the assemblies that Jesus said He would “take their candlestick away” it holds no weight. I’m stickin with what the apostles taught.
Do you equate the RCC with the LDS?
The true Body of Christ isn't found in the White OR Yellow Pages. That's what I meant by "invisible".
I'm concerned because your language seems to suggest otherwise. Particularly your language describing the body of Christ as castoffs and downtrodden victims and the mechanism of "revealing" ourselves to one another. Sounds more like the Illuminati or some other secret society than a church.
Ultimately we'll have to agree to disagree on this point. The Body of Christ can most certainly be found in the phone book. Just look under "Catholic". Anywhere where the Eucharist is celebrated you'll find Jesus. I did:
San Secondo D'Asti Catholic Church
250 North Turner Ave
Ontario, CA 91761
P.S.: My prayers and best wishes for healthy grandchild.
>> “.but the actual attempt to re-establish the meanings and teachings of Christianity came only after Luther” <<
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No, it was Constantine that brought the errors in a big dose.
The errors started right after the crucifixion, and grew exponentially after the last apostle died. That is what Irenaeus and his disciple Hippolytus wrote.
The rcc and lds do have a lot in common.
Such as?
You know who I mean, surely: Folks from this side of the Cross like their OT counterparts from Hebrews 11 before the Cross.
33Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
34Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38(Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
There have been EXPERTS who have defended the Catholic church very successfully for 2,000 years, I am not arrogant enough to think that I can handle that task any better.....unlike some
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