Yes, Christ Was Really Born on December 25: a Defense of the Trad Date for Christmas

taylormarshall.com ^ | December 11, 2014 | Dr. Taylor Marshall

[Shadow44]

I think a more friendly term would have been to use the “Apostolic Church”. Both Greek AND Latin. :)

[WVKayaker]

The catholic church worships creatures, -E-S

That is an officious statement that cannot be supported. It is offensive and I respectfully request an apology to ALL Catholics in the forum. -NY troll*

Hahahahahaaaaa!

*In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]

[vladimir998]

“Taoists don’t have to worry about such frivolities.”

True. And that’s why Taoism was never a lead in to any great universal scientific or philosophic achievement.

[The_Reader_David]

Who said anything about Roman? The adjective “catholic” (meaning “according to the whole”, corresponding better to the Russian notion of sobornosty than to the meaning of universal it took on in the West) was applied to the Church by St. Ignatius of Antioch, the third bishop of Antioch “where the disciples were first called Christians”, who according to Holy Tradition was the child who was placed in the lap of Our Lord when He said, “Suffer the little children come unto Me,” third in succession from the Apostle Peter, in his Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, writting c. 110.

And, no, the “Roman Catholic” church didn’t start in 325, it started in the 11th and 12th centuries when the Popes of Rome finally accepted the heretical filoque and led their patriarchate into schism from the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (now usually called “the Orthodox Church” because of the Latins’ loud propagandistic claims of the name “Catholic” for their own communion). When they tell the story, falsely claiming that the Patriarchates that retained the original Creed and remained in communion with each other were the schismatics, they date it to 1054. As an Antiochian Orthodox Christian, I’d date it to the First Crusade when the Latins forcibly installed a Latin Patriarch of Antioch in the already occupied see, despite only Constantinople having formally broken communion with Rome a that point. Were I Greek or Russian Orthodox (in the 11th century, Russia was still under Constantinople, I suppose I’d date it to 1009 or 1014 when Rome was removed from the Diptychs of Constantinople..

[verga]

Roman Catholic church didn’t exist until 325 AD with the Council of Nicea.

Documentation please.

[verga]

<>I>So I got that going for me...

But did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express?

[SkyDancer]

All I said was “What difference does it make what date we celebrate His birth”? Next thing I start getting is paragraph after paragraph about all this stuff ....I did not bring up anything about my salvation - someone else did and I responded to that.... this whole thing is utter nonsense. Nothing better to do this evening???? Good Evening and have a Nice Day tomorrow ...

[roamer_1]

Does it really matter when Yeshua was born? Why does having to celebrate His birth on a particular date effect my salvation with Him? I celebrate His birth, death and resurrection everyday.

Yes, it really, really does - Without an understanding of the moedim, the Holy Days, and their purpose, one cannot understand fully... Stuck on milk... Try the meat. YHWH's Holy Days, those which HE ordained and called 'MY FEASTS', have tremendous purpose, and hold tremendous proof.

[roamer_1]

No. If we are supposed to have an official day to celebrate His birth, He would have let us know when that was.

He did.

[editor-surveyor]

One thing I wish to assure you, this is not nonsense. Worshiping a pagan Day is a direct offence to the Father.
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[Usagi_yo]

Lol, nobody is going to Hell for believing Christ was born on January 15th instead of December 25th. Whatever prehistoric meaning it ever had has slipped out of usage and has been co-opted by a Church.

[editor-surveyor]

David, why are you so fascinated with pagan myths, rather than the plain word of God?

No ‘Bishop’ is of any importance. Neither is any human corporation that is ruled by the inventions of men, which every one of the ‘churches’ in existence today are.

The last congregation that had any measurable contact with the true Way of Yeshua was that which was guided by Hippolytus. From then on, it was a steady down hill roll.

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[SkyDancer]

Using which calendar? Yeshua was Hebrew. Use the Hebrew one? Was it the Gregorian or Julian? December used to be the tenth month at one time - decem - meaning ten. The original Roman calendar had 10 months. It was changed to honor Julius and Augustus Caeser-hence July and August. It also made months 30 days apiece with adjustments using 31 days in some and 28 in February to accomadate leap year. The months September through December were kept in name if not in number.

Things got moved around a bit.

The extrabiblical evidence from the first and second century is equally spare: There is no mention of birth celebrations in the writings of early Christian writers such as Irenaeus (c. 130–200) or Tertullian (c. 160–225). Origen of Alexandria (c. 165–264) goes so far as to mock Roman celebrations of birth anniversaries, dismissing them as “pagan” practices—a strong indication that Jesus’ birth was not marked with similar festivities at that place and time.1 As far as we can tell, Christmas was not celebrated at all at this point.

Good reading here:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/how-december-25-became-christmas/

[editor-surveyor]

One needs to wake up to the fact that no one that worships pagan days like christmas and Easter is going to find the narrow gate to Yehova’s rest.

We are commanded to put away all appearance of evil, not argue about what day to embrace it. That is all that this thread is about, how to properly worship the sun god.
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[SkyDancer]

So. Nu? Who's worshiping a pagan day???

This is pagan.

[editor-surveyor]

Yehova’s days fall only on the Biblical calendar, which revolves around the beginning of the agricultural year, the new moon immediately preceding the aviv barley in Jerusalem.

Passover is completely dependent on this event, and all other events flow from Passover.

The seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth biblical months usually fall close to September, October, November, and December, but the relationship is never exact because God’s calendar is agricultural, while man’s follows sun god worship,the solstices and the equinoxes.

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[Usagi_yo]

I hear say people who worship the moon are more apt to be lunatics than those that worship the sun.

I think I’m mad because I know I’m mad, but I can’t be mad if I know I’m mad.

That might be a palindrome, I didn’t check.

[editor-surveyor]

Your picture is true to the advertising industry.

Nevertheless, christmas and Easter are pagan in their basis, and a disobedient slap in the face of God. What does it say in Deuteronomy?

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[editor-surveyor]

I hope you’re enjoying yourself.

[SkyDancer]

I think more it their application ... Santa and bunnies never did it for me.