Seven Things I Wish My Pastor Knew About My Homosexuality

Public Discourse ^ | December 10th, 2014 | Jean Lloyd

[rhema]

May I make two requests? Love me, but remember that you cannot be more merciful than God. It isn’t mercy to affirm same-sex acts as good. Don’t compromise truth; help me to live in harmony with it.

Over thirty years have passed since same-sex attraction rushed up from deep within my twelve-year-old frame. This attraction was unbidden and unwanted, yet simultaneously forceful and compelling.

As a Christian, the conflict between my sexuality and my faith would become the deepest and most intense of my life. Now in my forties, I’ve gone from being closeted to openly lesbian to celibate to heterosexually married. The fact that I need to qualify my marital union as a heterosexual one reveals how much the cultural landscape has changed in that time—just as much as my own personal landscape has, though in very different ways.

During my upbringing, I heard a few fiery sermons on homosexuality. These days, I hear declarations of love instead. They make me shout for joy. Amen! It always should have been so! At the same time, however, many pastors have begun accompanying this love with an eschewal of Biblical sexual morality as oppressive, unreasonable, or unkind. Hence, loving homosexual persons also comes to entail affirming and encouraging them in same-sex sexual relationships and behaviors.

Although I appreciate the desire to act in love, this isn’t the genuine love that people like me need. Love me better than that! Thomas Aquinas scholar Josef Pieper put it this way:

love is not synonymous with undifferentiated approval of everything the beloved person thinks and does in real life. . . . [nor is it] the wish for the beloved to feel good always and in every situation and for him to be spared experiencing pain or grief in all circumstances.

[HLPhat]

>>So, ANYTHING other than heterosexuality is a CHOICE.

Aucontraire - reproductive dysfunctions such as XXY and Androgen insensitivity syndrome are as natural as... cancer.

http://www.google.com/#q=xxy+androgen+insensitivity

But evidently that’s not recognized as a problem, historically, until the drones have taken over the hive.

[HLPhat]

What is the order of precedence described in Romans 1:25+?

Because of what?
Gave them over to what?

Evidently the proliferation of homosexual perversion is a natural punitive response to something else.

[cloudmountain]

You KNOW what I meant.
Reproductive dysfunctions aren't normal, as least not in MY life, and as such are not germane to my part of the discussion.

[HLPhat]

>>Reproductive dysfunctions aren’t normal,

What percentage of bees in a hive are reproductively normal?

That seems to be a model the Transhumanist Postgenderists have envied for a long time.

Just ask the Pharaohs and the Eunuchs who propped them up. Or was it the Eunuchs and the Pharaohs who propped them up...

Either way, Same ol’

[Jamestown1630]

You know, I think we’ll just have to ‘agree to disagree’, on this argument.

There are better ways to spend the Holiday Season; such as communing with God, instead of arguing about Him.

I wish all the best to you and yours for the Christmas Season, and for the New Year.

-JT

[Yosemitest]

"What is the order of precedence described in Romans 1:25+?"

Very good question.
But to really understand it, you have to dig deeper.

Lets start with Romans 1:16-32.

For I am NOT ASHAMED of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first,
and also to the Greek.
For THEREIN IS the righteousness of God
revealed FROM faith
TO faith:
as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.

You might want to take a look at Habakkuk 2:1-9, and especially verse 4.
Don't miss the importance of this because the rest of this information FROM GOD, is built on the understanding of this part in Romans 1:16-17.
Now, on to the next great information.

For the WRATH of God is revealed FROM heaven
AGAINST ALL UNGODLINESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS OF MEN,
who HOLD THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
Because THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN of God
IS MANIFEST IN THEM;
for God HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM.

That last part is very important.
How many times must God warn them?
You might want to take a read of Luke 8:1-21 to understand why some people just will NOT listen and OBEY.
But on to the next part.

For THE INVISIBLE THINGS of him
from the creation of the world
ARE CLEARLY SEEN,
being understood BY the things THAT ARE MADE,
even his eternal power and Godhead;
so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE:
Because that,
WHEN THEY KNEW GOD,
THEY glorified him NOT AS GOD,
NEITHER were thankful;
but BECAME VAIN IN THEIR IMAGINATIONS,
and THEIR FOOLISH HEART was DARKENED .

There is so much to cover hear, but the order which God has stated it in the Bible must not be ignored.
Think of microscopic when you read " the invisible things", but that's not the ONLY interpretation to be considered.
But it should help you to grasp the meaning"are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made".
"Became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened" is a very good insight on HOW this ABOMINATION starts.
But don't forget the verses before that, because they have been pointing out HOW the "homosexuals" got to this point in their destruction.
Now we start a more rapid destruction of their mind and hearty with the next verses.

PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE wise,
THEY BECAME FOOLS ,
And CHANGED THE GLORY OF THE UNCORRUPTIBLE GOD
INTO AN IMAGE
MADE LIKE TO CORRUPTIBLE MAN,
and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God ALSO GAVE THEM UP TO UNCLEANNESS THROUGH THE LUSTS OF THEIR OWN HEARTS,
TO DISHONOUR THEIR OWN BODIES between themselves:
Who CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE,
and WORSHIPPED
and SERVED the creature MORE THAN THE CREATOR ,
who is blessed for ever.
Amen.

Now it's becoming clear that there are MANY steps down the path to destruction, that these individuals have taken.
Some more insight can be found in Genesis 19 about just how evil and destructive homosexuals really are.
So, we continue with verses 26 and 27 of Romans 1.

FOR THIS CAUSE
GOD GAVE THEM UP UNTO VILE AFFECTION:
for even THEIR WOMEN DID CHANGE the NATURAL USE
into that WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE:
And likewise ALSO THE MEN,
LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMEN,
BURNED IN THEIR LUST one toward another;
men with men WORKING THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY,
and RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THAT RECOMPENCE OF THEIR ERROR
which was meet.

Now you can see that God "gave them up", or in other words, He quit trying to convince them, that His WAYS were life-giving,
and allowed them to go their own way.
Their error would be a very strong lesson to all who will see, that it does lead to death.
Read again about meat and milk as far as spiritual knowledge goes.
Now God has laid this information out for us in a certain order for a reason, and that reason is the choice between Life or Death.
Lets finish this.

And even as THEY DID NOT LIKE TO RETAIN GOD IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE ,
GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND,
TO DO THOSE THINGSs which are NOT convenient;
BEING FILLED with ALL unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
FULL of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God,
despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers,
without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who KNOWING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD,
that THEY WICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS
ARE WORTHY OF DEATH,
NOT ONLY DO THE SAME,
BUT HAVE PLEASURE
IN THEM THAT DO THEM .

Homosexual perversion is NOT a NATURAL punitive response to something else.
It's a GOD GIVEN PUNISHMENT

(a MARK in their head {or mind}, in their hand {or actions}, and in their heart {or what they love} ),

and it IS a Satanic DELUSION for the homosexual to THINK that God had nothing to do with it.

Have you not read the Book of Job ?
It will help you to understand
that Satan
has to have PERMISSION from our Heavenly Father
to do damage.

So in closing, we've covered THE CAUSE that God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND.

[Yosemitest]

Okay.
Here's a challenge.

In front of your Church Congregation, stand in front of its Christmas Tree, and read to the Congregation out loud, from 629 BC (Approximately) Jeremiah 10:1-10.

That should start a real religious discussion.

[Yosemitest]

One other thing, you might enjoy reading and looking up the references given in the article titled:

What the Bible Says About HOMOSEXUALITY

[HLPhat]

>>You KNOW what I meant.

I KNOW that, according to Romans 1:25+, the proliferation of homosexual perversion is a punitive natural response from the Creator.

So the question becomes - what “created things” has Western “culture” taken to idolizing to warrant such a response?

There is no god but the Czar...NOT.

[cloudmountain]

I KNOW that, according to Romans 1:25+, the proliferation of homosexual perversion is a punitive natural response from the Creator.
So the question becomes - what “created things” has Western “culture” taken to idolizing to warrant such a response?
There is no god but the Czar...NOT.

God bless you and yours.

[HLPhat]

>>But will we OBEY our Heavenly Father?

Or be forgiven when it’s our nature not to?

But what the homosexuals who’ve concocted various religious entities have done is that they have perverted forgiveness of sin into permission to sin.

Isa 5:20-21

20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.

21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
and clever in their own sight.
NIV

The state-establishing ceaSARean underwear woven by the eunuchs has always been clever.

Just ask NebuchadnezZAR.

There is nothing new under the Sun... prince - and there is no god but the tZAR....NOT

[HLPhat]

>>Homosexual perversion is NOT a NATURAL punitive
>>response to something else. It’s a GOD GIVEN PUNISHMENT

God created Nature - so it is BOTH a natural punitive response, and a God given punishment.

[HLPhat]

>>God bless you and yours.

He always has.

[HLPhat]

Consider the social reproductive nature of Bees.

Every worker in the colony is capable of laying eggs - but, in a healthy colony, they don't.

 

Evidently pheromones from viable brood and/or an active queen keeps worker bees from laying eggs.  If a colony loses its queen, and there is no viable brood from which to raise another queen, then the worker bees, no longer suppressed by pheromones, will begin laying eggs.

Laying workers, not having been raised into queens with royal jelly, and being unmated, lack the chromosomes required for the eggs they lay to become anything but drones - and thus, being unable to create another queen (or even workers), drones is all they will produce.   A colony with nothing but drones is breathing its last breaths and ultimately dies as the drones take flight in a last effort to preserve the remnants of the hive's genetics.

It's a remarkably beautiful creation; but as far as I can tell, the reproductive nature of bees, complicated as is it, is not documented in the Bible. Instead we've evidently been left to observe and figure it out... with our minds, Created free.

Who is to say the Creator didn't naturally endow/encumber His Human creatures with a similar mechanism that becomes manifested when the hive loses its moral, Godly, non-temporal, focal structure?

What would it look like if a fallen human hive itself became the object of worship therein?   Nebuchadnezzar's ( Nebuchadnezzar being the Luciferian fallen star of Isaiah 13) drones knew the answer to that - and the Old Testament names what they created as "Ba'al".

Same Ol' Delphinian manure, different municipal toilet.

[HLPhat]

>>lack the chromosomes required for the eggs they lay

More accurately said as... “lay nothing but unfertilized eggs which can only become drones”.

[cloudmountain]

He always has.

ALWAYS?
My, you are unique in this world. Not too many people can say that, as, into each life a "little rain" must always fall. Perhaps you believe that problems, troubles, etc., are blessings-in-disguise. However, I don't want to put words into your mouth, so to speak.
You must be VERY, very, very special. But I can see that you are.

[Jamestown1630]

I’m not sure how heterosexuality can be found to be or not be in genes; but your post is interesting to me.

From everything that I have observed and read, there are NO completely homosexual animals, except for man, if the animal is healthy and its social system normal.

But animals sometimes exhibit bisexual behavior, or strange displacements of the sexual urge - not always, but usually, when something has gone wrong with their social system. But healthy animals, in a social system that is normal for their species, exhibit heterosexual behavior as the norm.

One of my pets is a rescued male pigeon; because it was raised by me and my husband almost from the nest, it has transferred all of its sexual urges toward us, and toward our other male pigeon. Its natural social learning/behavior was interrupted. I am certain that if I presented a lady pigeon to him, he’d ‘go to town’; but he’d go to town on the male pigeon too, if I let them be together. He’s a pigeon; he’s not Man, who is far more complex than just “genes” has a much more complicated emotional/mental constitution.

I think this displacement can happen to humans, too. I don’t think that homosexual tendency has to be “genetic” to be something that a person would have a very hard time to overcome. It may have deep-seated roots in up-bringing, abuse, etc.

(I do sometimes wonder, however: if a gene, or some birth-defect were actually discovered as being a cause of homosexuality, what would the arguments pro/con be, toward people who aborted to cull it? Or, if it could be remedied by drugs, how would the ethics of that be determined? Opens an incredible can of worms....)

Just some random thoughts,

-JT

[Jamestown1630]

I don’t belong to any kind of “Church”.

And, after all: I’m too busy decorating my Pagan Tree, and doing elf-duty for that demon, Santa Claus.

I hope that you enjoy a Very Merry Christmas!
-JT

[HLPhat]

>>Perhaps you believe that problems, troubles, etc.,
>>are blessings-in-disguise.

I believe Romans 8:28 is true.

[Yosemitest]

Uh, some spell it “SATAN’S CLAWS” ...