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To: vladimir998; Elsie; metmom; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; ebb tide; daniel1212
This is the money quote as it comes from Pius on January 6, 1870 during the First Vatican Council (1869-1870).

Likewise I accept Sacred Scripture according to that sense which Holy mother Church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers. http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.htm

So the question becomes: were all of the fathers in unanimous consent?

Unless catholics redefine unanimous it means all agree upon....all are one mind.

So were the fathers all in agreement on this? The answer is no as exhibited by the work Elsie did.

I will add this to the disussion also. This is from The Principles of Theology: An Introduction to the Thirty-Nine Articles. https://books.google.com/books

p471.

the ancient Fathers gave no fewer than five interpretation of the the word "rock".

The first declared that the church was built on Peter, an interpretation endorsed by 17 Fathers.

2) the second understood the words as referring to all Apostles, Peter being simply the Primate. This was held by 8 Fathers.

3)The third view asserted that the words applied to the faith which Peter professed, a view held by no less than 44 Fathers.

4) the words were to be understood of Jesus Christ, the Church built upon Him. This was the view of 16 Fathers.

5) the fifth understood the term "rock" to apply to the faithful themselves, who, by believing in Christ, were made living stones in the temple of His body. Very few held this opinion.

It is also impossible to overlook the fact that in the Roman Missal itself the Collect for the Vigil of St. Peter and St. Paul's Day reads thus: "Grant, we beseech Thee, Almighty God, that Thou wouldest not suffer us, whom Thou established on the Rock of the Apostlic Confession, to be shaken by any disturbances."

Based on this it sure looks like ol' Pius, at best, erred, in his statement regarding, nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers.

This is where the quote from Archbishop Kenrick comes into play regarding following the majority.

The man-made teachings of the catholic church are built, and continue to be built, upon a bunch of lies and distortions.

What say you vladimir998?

436 posted on 12/11/2014 10:00:34 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
What say you vladimir998?

The wind bloweth where it listeth...


511 posted on 12/11/2014 12:08:08 PM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
Yes, once again the interpretive nature of much RC teaching, this time the “unanimous consent of the fathers?
568 posted on 12/11/2014 1:53:15 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ealgeone

“What say you vladimir998?”

I say that you don’t know what unanimous consent of the fathers means:

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/unanimous-consent-of-church-fathers.html


594 posted on 12/11/2014 2:27:16 PM PST by vladimir998
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