Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

[marshmallow]

"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.

On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).

On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.

It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."

Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."

If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?

"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."

To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....

[CynicalBear]

>>You sure have, and yet I don’t ask you if you do. I asked if you DID.<<

I have never warn a ring of any kind. The feeble attempts at relevance or credibility you use are rather transparent. The topic is that Catholics incorporate paganism into their worship of God and that fact is corroborated by not only the CC itself but many like Newman as well.

[Elsie]

That's from the catholic catechism....have you guys even read the thing? I wonder sometimes if catholics really know what their church teaches.

It's just some MORE evidence of 'POORLY Catechized' FR Catholics.

[Elsie]

3.If people were insulting your mother than perhaps you would rise to her defence.

Yo momma's SO fat...

[Elsie]

https://www.google.com/search?q=yo+momma+jokes&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&gws_rd=ssl

[CynicalBear]

>>No. Read the entire passage carefully.<<

Either you were indeed or once again your use of scripture is so unconnected to the topic as to be considered not relevant to the subject being discussed.

[Elsie]

Notice how the conversation on that point very quickly went completely dead after that? Gee, why?

Uh; 'cause it was dumb?

Stupid?

Irrelevant?

Inane?

Lacking in thought?

Vlad-like?

Opps! Sorry for that last one; it was redundant.

[Elsie]

That might explain why we don’t make mistakes about what it says and means while Protestant anti-Catholics make mistakes with the turn of every page.

Sure, Bob. You are right again!

[Elsie]

Apparently you do...

#352

[Elsie]

I can’t even see the post.

Wake your dog up!

[Elsie]

I do.

I ain't working.

Perhaps Mary is 'asleep'.

[af_vet_1981]

Our Beliefs

Wesleyans believe in one God, who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and the Savior of all who put their faith in Him alone for eternal life. We believe that those who are made new in Christ are called to be holy in character and conduct, and can only live this way by being filled with the Lord's Spirit. We believe in the Bible and its sufficiency to establish our faith and conduct. We believe God wills for people everywhere to know Him and be made new in Christ. We believe that the purpose of the Church is to worship God in spirit and in truth, and to reach a lost and fallen world with the gospel of Jesus Christ through its worship, witness, and loving deeds.

[af_vet_1981]

>>No. Read the entire passage carefully.<< Either you were indeed or once again your use of scripture is so unconnected to the topic as to be considered not relevant to the subject being discussed. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

[Elsie]

I have told you repeatedly that I don’t wear a ring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLB15kBvn_c

[Elsie]

Yes, you ARE right on every point!

I bow to your superior knowledge and astuteness.

[Elsie]

You showed me something else that you passed off as what I was talking about.

#352

[Elsie]

Now SHOW that Phil actually USED any tradition in talking with the eunuch.

Continue to be happy; please.

[Elsie]

The TarBaby has only two responses:

I am right!
and...
You are wrong.

[Elsie]

We believe that those who are made new in Christ are called to be holy in character and conduct, and can only live this way by being filled with the Lord's Spirit.

Are you 'trying' to imply something?

Can you put this into your own words?

Surely you 'believe' what it means; right?

[Elsie]

I get Beast and a half.

Who will get 1,000?

[af_vet_1981]

Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.