Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum ofsometimes emotionalopinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...
Do we have the body, or what we think is the body, of Joseph?
“It denies Jesus humanity and the incarnation and claims that Mary is the mother of divinity.”
Actually that comment is irrational. Motherhood - for a human woman like Mary - necessitates humanity and with Jesus the incarnation.
Everything God thought we should know about yes. Would you say the Holy Spirit forgot some important points?
it is 4 words...how much interpretation is possible.....and yes, the protestants, after 1,600 years of honoring Christ's words, have decided to deny their true meaning!!!
ROFL That’s all your left with?
If based on scripture have at it.
it is 6 words...how much interpretation is possible
It is the carnal and boxed-in Protestant mind that insists that anything they claim diminishes or minimizes Christ actually does so. The pathology is such that the Protestant takes John 3:30 personally. Anything that deviates from their man-made Protestant construct means they must decrease which is anathema to them since Sola Scriptura puts them in the driver's seat. Too be told to get in the back of the bus is unthinkable.
I have given a reasonable explanation for the NT’s silence on certain matters: There was no debate or disagreement taking place at the time the various scriptures were written. My explanation had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit’s “forgetting” anything.
I have no idea. I’ve never heard of one.
But my argument with regard to Mary has nothing to do with there not BEING a body. My argument is based on the fact that there has never been even any CLAIM that there was a body.
It is the total absence of any CLAIM that there was a body that requires explanation.
**My point is that if His Son is to be perfect, it makes no sense for Him to derive sick flesh, sick blood, a sick mind from a sick mother.**
Christianity makes no sense.
That being said being born to a sinner is all part of the humiliation of Jesus.
To 753.
BTW: metmom didn't respond with two words; she responded with hundreds of words. And she proffered a couple of syllogisms, both of which were formally invalid.
That answered any questions I had about the quality of her thinking.
interesting isn't it, that the Catholic Church cannot lie in matters of Faith and morals. Christ promised His church that He would protect her and He has done so. He did have that power you know....at least I certainly believe that He did. You are free to deny Him that authority I guess, but He did it anyway.....think about it, why would He have founded a church(which, of course He did) and then let that church flounder and commit egregious error and mislead His flock....didn't happen nor COULD IT!!!!!!!
I agree God can assume into Heaven He desires. Because He can doesn't mean He does. Because we have the example of Elijah doesn't mean God did assume Mary into Heaven.
Do we have the body of Joseph? One might think he'd be pretty important.
It is a huge assumption (no pun there) by the catholic church this is what happened to her.
It goes back to man-made reasoning. Wouldn't it be nice....doesn't it seem like, etc. However none is based on Scripture. It is based on wishful man made thinking. This is what gets us into error with the Word.
As I have pointed out before, the total absence of any mention in history of any body, tomb, or relics of Mary is totally uncharacteristic of the early Church. In fact, given human nature, universal belief in the Assumption is the ONLY possible explanation for the absence of any such veneration of relics of Maryreal or phony.
We presume the early church would want to keep a relic of Mary. Do we have proof of this desire?
Do we have proof that the early church held Mary in such lofty esteem as the catholic church of today.
But again, in your argument you appeal to human reason... given human nature, universal belief in the Assumption is the ONLY possible explanation for the absence of any such veneration of relics of Maryreal or phony.
Another explanation exists....they didn't hold Mary in the lofty position it is assumed they did.
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