Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
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Oh?
Then SURELY you will post some that say they are; right?
Your revered book says otherwise.
Ha ha!
Twice on any one thread and yes.
Only?
Don't you have a barrel around that you can scrape from higher up on the staves?
Readers’ Digest could not reduce it further.
Use your mouse to select it.
It becomes much more contrasty.
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prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his
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prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his
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I doubt that Nuremburg would convince him.
Admit it!
You’re really Mary; posting on FR from heaven.
Whom ELSE could possibly have the speed and agility to try to keep so many cats on so many threads herded together?
‘fess up!
Now, that’s WORSE. That hurts.
(Remember the mid and late ‘90s when folks would post HTML only in high contrast with the weirdest assortment of colors?)
“Oh? Then SURELY you will post some that say they are; right?”
Is Paradise Heaven?
Sure we can.
If all this were directed to Mary alone, Mary tour court, it would be idolatry and would be damnable. It would be a disordered love for her, and a disordered honor, worship of some goddess or half-goddess.
But Catholics see Mary's honor as an entirely derivative thing, in the same way that the light of the moon is entirely derived from the sun. You may not see it this way, yourself, but you will understand us, anyway, more accurately if you see this Mary thing as we see it: not as idolatry but as a glory envisioned by God Himself (Rev 12) and thus an appropriate honor for the mother of our King. If HE gives this honor, it is honorable: "Honor thy father and thy mother --- and wouldn't Jesus fulfill this commandment to a superlative degree?
She who was nothing, she who was but dust. What HE has done for His lowly handmaid!
For God will make you glorious in heaven, metmom, and me too I pray ---
But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the mind of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
YES!
If chapter and verse designations were added by Catholics, then why do you refuse to use them? Do you think we are better off NOT using them? I can only imagine the scenario in a Bible study:
Somehow, I don't think your way is very helpful. It is HARDLY a "holy tradition", but simply a way to efficiently find one's way around Scripture. Obedience to what God says is a given regardless of chapter and verse designation. I think you are just being petty and trite. New word of the day, righteousness.
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed — a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith. (Romans 1:17)
Well Nuremburg doesn’t allow torture, even though the evil popes did...
Tell me, since you identify as a Roman Catholic, would you claim to believe EXACTLY the same as every other Catholic and they, in turn, believe exactly the same as the Magesterium? Or, would you honestly admit that there are many areas of belief within Catholicism that are "optional" and that even those who claim to be faithful Catholics differ with each other on even major doctrines of Catholicism? With that in mind, can you understand that a person identifying his or her "provenance" or preference of worship place is no guarantee that their beliefs will be discernible 100% of the time?
We have had threads that discussed the Deity of Jesus Christ. It gets pretty easy to figure out what religious tradition someone follows based solely on their expressed beliefs on this subject and those who deny Christ's deity are almost always some kind of cult without them even having to name it. My point was that, whether someone goes to a Southern Baptist church or Methodist or Lutheran or a nondenominational Evangelical church, there IS unity on these major doctrines of Christianity unless an individual church has gone apostate. And, like I said, if you genuinely wonder what a person believes on a tenet of the faith, you can just ask. Knowing their denomination is superfluous. You ought to cease making such an issue over it as it comes across as demanding, unduly nosy AND petty.
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