Apologists Concerned About Rick Warren's Alignment With 'Holy Father'

Charisma News ^ | 12/3/14 | Mark Andrews

[marshmallow]

"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.

On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).

On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.

It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."

Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."

If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?

"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."

To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....

[Elsie]

... I'll take the translation from the Vulgate as pretty much the truth.

AhHA!

You are quite learned in Latin then!!

Cool!

[Elsie]

when you can't answer a question, you resort to repeat childish nonsense...

[Elsie]

Catholics don't go beyond what is written...

Strange; the weather report didn't mention rain...

[Elsie]

... not really, it means that you have to have a very strong faith and belief in what the bible teaches to be a Catholic....

Come to me, all who cannot think for themselves. My yoke is heavy and hard to bear.

[Elsie]

you indicated that the Mother of God was so inadequate in her dealings with humanity that even I with my laptop could do better....

Almost...

I said that the Mother of God JESUS is so DEAD that her dealings with humanity is IMPOSSIBLE.

[Elsie]

It's not a 'crock'.

It is HERESY!

[Elsie]

Your redundant list covers a few people who didn't do a real good job...

Have you ever considered taking the job of explaining Obama words/actions/policies to the folks in the press room?

[Elsie]

In fact Christ promised His church that it could never happen....

I've read that the Tares will be with us until the end.

[Elsie]

He took His mother with Him into Heaven.....

I like you Tery; as you're as SUCH a good example of a Poorly Catechized Catholic.

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John 19:25-27

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen.

26 When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son.

27 After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

[Elsie]

....Protestants don't believe that He could do that and they don't believe that He had the power to assume Mary

Trying to tell the lurking jury what PROTESTants believe; AGAIN???

Attention lurkers:

Tery is wrong in his assumption.

Notice how uses 'could'?

We Prots (lovely term; ain't it) believe that Jesus COULD do these very things.

We also KNOW there is not ONE shred of evidence that He DID do them!

[Elsie]

Scripture: Go and do thou likewise.

[CynicalBear]

>>my Douay version states Luke 1:28<<

You need to throw that thing in the trash. It's a translation of the Latin Vulgate done by Jerome. It has been proven over and over again to have been a corrupted translation not true to the original Hebrew or Greek. The phrase "full of grace" is NOT in the original Koine Greek nor can it be extrapolated from it.

[Elsie]

is there something in your post 974 that you don’t believe that God is capable of doing through the images of His Mother???

There you go again; TRYING to deflect what WAS said into a statement concerning how GOD choses to use His power.

[Elsie]

what rational person was that??

[Elsie]

does the Catholic church accept that "translation"??/If not then it is meaningless.

[Elsie]

In fact, you have been told the truth for 1,600 years...

You've been pinged to #352 HOW many times?

[CynicalBear]

>>And that is the reason for sticking to *mother of JESUS* and ditching *mother of GOD*.<<

Changing the words the Holy Spirit used is tantamount to putting oneself in the place of God.

[Elsie]

This is a dangerous trend I'm seeing in catholicism. Words mean only what you want them to mean....regardless of what they really mean.

 

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,

' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

[CynicalBear]

>>it means that you have to have a very strong faith and belief in what the bible teaches<<

What Bible? The one the Catholic Church changed from what the Holy Spirit had written?

[metmom]

Trying to tell the lurking jury what PROTESTants believe; AGAIN???

Funny, isn't it that Catholics can tell non-Cathoics what they believe, but when Catholics think that non-Catholics are telling them what Catholics believe, there's weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Hypocrisy again.