Posted on 12/10/2014 6:32:20 AM PST by marshmallow
"Christian unity" is one of those terms that stir up a whole spectrum of—sometimes emotional—opinions.
On the one hand, we know that Jesus prayed to the Father concerning future believers "that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you" (John 17:21a, NIV).
On the other hand, charismatics know it is almost pointless to discuss the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12, 14) with Baptists or most anyone else from a mainline denomination. And Protestants of just about any stripe get riled up when they hear Catholics talking about papal infallibility or their adoration of the Virgin Mary.
It's on this latter point that Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, and successful author, has waded into a hornet's nest of controversy by telling a Catholic News Service interviewer that Protestants and Catholics "have far more in common than what divides us" and that Catholics do not "worship Mary like she's another god."
Regarding Warren's view that Catholics do not worship Mary, Matt Slick, writing on the website of the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry, goes into great detail with material from Roman Catholic sources that say Mary is "the all holy one," is to be prayed to, worshipped, that she "brings us the gifts of eternal life" and she "made atonement for the sins of man."
If that's not putting her in the place of Christ as a god-like figure to be worshipped, then what is it?
"We believe in Trinity, the Bible, the resurrection, and that salvation is through Jesus Christ. These are the big issues," Warren says. "But the most important thing is if you love Jesus, we're on the same team."
To Warren's point about being on the same team, Slick.....
(Excerpt) Read more at charismanews.com ...
your waterfront land for sale to the gullible is supposed to be in the Sahara...I'd at least be willing to look at your offerings in Florida.....sarcasm is sometimes real hard to put across...
I fully agree. It was WAY before her birth.
good grief
Wrong on both counts.
Many in the old testament hoped in Christ.
Many also in those days depended on Jesus their Saviour.
And also accurately prophesized his coming!
Thank you for the scripture quotes [This Scripture brilliantly applies to Mary, and of course not only to Mary, but to us] which show that we (Christians) are on equal footing with God, same as Mary. Sinners, saved by Grace.
Remember, Jesus is Mary's Savior. You can't have a savior without needing one.
Jesus is the only one that walked the earth that did NOT need a savior.
ealgeone: I second your good grief!
John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.
Show me the term *mother of GOD* anywhere in Scripture.
"Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners.....that's Jesus' mom that we're talking about in that prayer...."Hail Mary, full of grace, the LORD is with thee(the Lord is Jesus...remember your Catholic upbringing??
Saying *mother of GOD* means *mother of GOD*.
Is God not the Trinity?
Following some other Catholics logic...
If Mary is the Mother of GOD.
And if God is the Trinity.
Mary is the mother of the Trinity.
Now, saying *mother of Jesus* says a whole different thing.
Ok, but you were replying to me and I am not Catholic.
Are you trying to use ONLY scripture to make some kind of statement?
Exactly.
Don't you think that would be why the Holy Spirit inspired men to name her *mother of JESUS* instead of *mother of GOD*?
ROFL That was my first reaction also.
Was WHAT again?
Apostolic tradition was apostolic.
That is about as tight a radius I've ever seen that illustrates circular logic.
Art and Vlad, the Teflon Twins.
Wrong.
None.
In context, Jesus was talking about titles given to religious leaders, NOT children addressing their male parent.
But context never mattered much to the Catholic church.
Neither can be cited as an example of preaching Scripture in the PRESENCEof Apostolic Tradition.
Neither can be cited as an example of preaching Scripture in the PRESENCEof Apostolic Tradition.
LOL I had to go back to figure this out. In the original post which I pinged you notice you were second in the ping. I was responding to the first name whose post I was responding to. I only pinged you out of courtisy because he had. The post wasn’t directed at you.
You are correct about the righteous Jews of the OT hoping in Christ their Savior. But what I meant was that Mary was the first who actually accepted Jesus Christ, true God and true Man.
There are two ways a person ca be saved from a pit. By being pulled out of the pit. Or by being prevented from falling into the pit. In both cases, you need Savior.
This is, with the understanding that, without the Savior, one would have indeed fallen into the pit.
Yeah.
So?
Show us where else what Jesus did was recorded besides Scripture and then tell us why it wasn't included in the canon in the first place.
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